Heinlein question -- "Gulf" & "Friday" (open spoilers)

In Robert A. Heinlein’s “Gulf” (1949), Hartley M. “Kettle Belly” Baldwin is the leader of an unnamed secret organization which is a sort of blend of the Howard Families and Mensa. Their goal is to create a superintelligent underground aristocracy by recruiting highly gifted persons and breeding within the group.

In Friday (1982), Kettle Belly reappears as the head of Friday’s unnamed espionage agency (so secretive that not even Friday knows whether it serves a government, or a corporation, or something else, let alone which one). When he dies, he leaves Friday an amount of money sufficient to buy her passage to a human colony world anywhere in known space. But his will stipulates she must not go to one particular planet – Olympia, I think its name was – and when Friday asks the lawyer about that planet, he says, “That’s where all those self-styled supermen went.” No further details are given.

So – is Kettle Belly’s espionage agency the thing into which his supergenius cult has evolved over the the passage of decades? Or an arm of it? Or, has he broken with that organization, and did its remaining members – “self-styled supermen” – colonize Olympia?

Assuming there’s a connection, it sounds to me like Kettle Belly regards his earlier activities as a mistake, and is now trying to distance himself from them.

Personally, I’ve always wondered if there was any connection between Friday’s organization and the one in The Puppet Masters. They certainly have the same feel to them.

Is Gulf any good? I don’t think I’ve heard much about that one.

I think it’s pretty typical of the Heinlein of that period. Which means pretty good. Nothing ground-breaking, but a good story. Friday is better.

I’ve seen it in only one collection: Assignment in Eternity.

I believe that’s one of those stories that causes nerdrage in linguists, but if you’re ready to overlook that, people who’ve read it seem to like it.

I really like that collection, especially “Gulf” and “Lost Legacy”. They’re a bit different from the hard-science, space-fiction stuff that one often thinks of in connection with Heinlein. It was the space-fiction that first turned me into a Heinlein junkie when I was an adolescent, but it was interesting to discover “atypical” Heinlein, like this and the stuff in 6 x H (also called The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag).

IIRC, the members of the genius organization can communicate faster and even think faster than anyone else, by using a constructed language designed to pack content into every phoneme, so that it might take just a few syllables to express what takes several sentences in English.

I don’t know if that’s actually possible.

Oh, wait, I have read that one. I was thinking novels, not novellas. I do remember being baffled by the claim that all thinking is done in language, since I think nonlinguistically on a regular basis. And the absurdity of the constructed language is well-illustrated in the story, when the protagonist (before he learns the language) tries to relay what he heard someone say, but the listener can’t make any sense of it, because of course he’s missing some of the subtle nuances: A noisy or lossy communication channel is far from unheard-of, so you’d think they’d construct their language to be able to withstand that, like real languages (mostly) do.

I’ve always taken it that Baldwin’s agency was distinct from and philosophically opposed to the Olympia colony. Why else would he forbid Friday from going there?

What I REALLY want to know is how Friday turned Aryan on the paperback book covers. :slight_smile:

Same way David Gerrold’s protagonist in The War Against the Chtorr series turned from a Black mixed-race to a white on the cover of his books.

Same way the Irish became white! :wink:

I stumbled onto this thread via reading critiques of Heinlein’s work. This Google listing looked interesting, I clicked on it and here I am, a “guest” and probationary member. Howdy, everyone.

“Gulf” was mentioned in passing as a prequel to Friday, admittedly a much more exciting and interesting work; one of Heinlein’s first after undergoing neurosurgery. May I offer some insight and perhaps dispel a misconception or two?

First, Heinlein’s statement about language was a paraphrase of Korzybski’s research which showed that thinking is performed symbolically, not necessarily in language. Language is *one *way of thinking symbolically, but not the *only *way. When we presume that we think in non-linguistic terms, we are still thinking by using symbols of one kind or another. It need not be in language, although I feel sure that if Chronos were to examine *how *he thinks, he might recognized that he still uses symbols of one sort or another, even if they are unique to him.

Second, in Friday, Dr. Baldwin clearly states that he remained on Earth while the rest of his “self-styled supermen” moved to Olympia because he was, for “sentimental” reasons, fighting a rear-guard action, possibly against the greed and predatory behavior of humans upon other humans. Also, the briefly-described background may have something to do with his decision. We know that there has been a limited nuclear exchange because Seattle no longer exists and Baldwin ensures that Friday’s forged birth records indicate that she was born there. In addition, Baldwin notes that he was sent to a high-security prison for some years, making it impossible for him to contact Friday before she left the orphanage and went on to learn “doxology.” (I presume that’s an academic description of “Hooker101”) Last, the United States has become thoroughly balkanized (a favorite subject of RAH’s), some regions of which are quite fascist and totalitarian; the Chicago Imperium, for example.

By these points, we may presume that Baldwin had many reasons to stay on Earth. Perhaps the failure of his secret group to prevent the war or the fragmentation of the United States resulted in a massive sense of guilt. In “Gulf,” it’s evident that he feels responsibility toward the human species.

My analysis: he was married, but never had children. Friday is an Artificial Person (another one of Heinlein’s techniques to demonstrate our species’ xenophobia), a combination of many different human genotypes, including Baldwin’s and his wife Emma’s. (Also Joe and Gail Greene’s, although much of theirs was rendered unusable due to various mutations) He stayed on Earth because he had a daughter that he could *not *abandon. So he found her, recruited her, trained her in the best possible way to survive (a combat courier is a *very *tough individual) and, knowing that his task was finally done, allowed himself to die. I suspect Heinlein used himself as a model for Baldwin, as do many other Heinlein aficianados.

As for the possibility that a single phoneme can be used to indicate a complete word/symbol, that *is *quite possible, although out of the realm of practicality, at least in terms of our current science of linguistics. See Shannon’s work on complexity of language. However, I disagree with some of Shannon’s analysis, notably his conclusions that dolphin language is much less complex than human speech. I note that dolphin speech occurs on a frequency curve that is a hundred thousand times more extensive than human hearing. Audio frequencies are measured on a logarithmic scale. Shannon’s analysis uses an arithmetical scale and does not take into account enough models of data compression. I suspect Speedtalk is already in use by at least one of the other four sentient species that inhabit this planet.

There is my analysis. *Friday *is really a very good book, although certainly not Heinlein’s best. Another interesting thread would be to discuss what might be Heinlein’s best work, either long or short form and why.

I believe the Grandmaster would be pleased.

PS: The teaching terminal that Friday uses in satisfying the “elephant’s child” of insatiable curiosity and the search engine she uses to bounce around from subject to subject exactly prefigures today’s Internet and Google search engine; oddly enough, the way I found this forum and the way *all *of us find the information we need to know these days. The Grandmaster invented many things: waldoes, the water bed, mass-drivers (Yes, I know, Eugene O’Neill is given credit for it. He got it from Heinlein, who was too polite to challenge a respected scientist) and the first detailed description of a search engine on a decentralized information network. Had he patented those things, he would have indeed been “the Man Who Sold the Moon” and everyone in the world would know his name. As it is, he just wrote about them and others built them according to specifications.

He was beaten by about 40 years for this one by Murry Leinster’s “A Logic Named Joe”, which not only predicts that, but had detailed descriptions of the internet including spam and porn filters, age restricted areas, etc.

Article on Korzybski and science fiction writers. The first paragraph is not just “probably wrong” but complete nonsense, but it’s irrelevant. What’s true is that SF writers of the Golden Age had minds so open that people could pour large amounts of garbage into them.

Heinlein himself wrote that he took the concept of waldoes from an article in Popular Mechanics, so he could hardly have invented them. Patents for water beds existed decades before Heinlein’s description of them, although his more closely resemble modern ones.

The mass driver is derived from the railgun, invented in 1918. Heinlein was probably influenced by a work written in 1937.

I find claims that science fiction writers invented everything ever to be embarrassing. SF writers of the past got their ideas exactly like SF writers today: they read articles, books, magazines, newspapers, conference proceedings, and every other form of communication and gleaned ideas out of the chaff. That’s interesting and valuable, and placing them in scenarios not only spark imaginations but offer possibilities not obvious in technical works. But they invent little to nothing. The only reason people think so is that they never go back and look for the originals.

This is a general peeve of mine, MIchelleRose, and you’re just stepping in front of the blast. Nothing personal. I am curious about the “other four sentient species” on the planet, since my number is zero.

Exactly. Science fiction writers are writers, not scientists. Their job isn’t to invent - it’s to tell a good story.

Dolphins, whales, gorillas and…camels? Orang-uatans? Brine Shrimp (per the Sea Monkeys ads in the back of 1960s comics?)

Parrots.

Fuckers never did build the castle. Lazy-ass sea monkeys.

MichelleRose, as no one else has said it, Welcome to the Dope - glad you found us! I think your post is pretty much spot on re Kettle-Belly’s motivations in Friday. Not one of my favourites - too episodic and fragmented - but pretty good. If you are interested you can search for the multiple other threads on Heinlein and his works but you could start with this one which has been slowly working its way through the entire canon.

Too busy burning crosses.