I mean, EasyPhil and Jim Peebles are just mental midgets who don’t even know how to parse the English language, refuse to acknowledge arguments refuting their ridiculous points, post cites to actual Russian propaganda outlets, and then come back and do it again. Now Ultravires is back, the winner of the Troy McClure trophy for worst arguing lawyer, repeating debunked bullshit about “a few internet memes”.
Shodan knows there’s no real defense, so he brushes up against a warning for a bullshit drive-by post in ATMB, with some deep-state conspiracy bullshit about the moderators here.
I get that Trump’s behavior is pretty indefensible, but there must be someone at the Federalist Society or Heritage that is putting out something remotely plausible that our local knuckleheads could use instead of actual Russian propaganda about Ukraine.
While I’m on the subject, I think posting actual Russian propaganda as a cite should be mod-notable at least, maybe warnable. This site shouldn’t be helping “a few internet memes” affect the coming election, and citing from Russian-owned Ukrainian “news” sites is doing exactly that – sowing confusion and getting Russian propaganda onto searchable sites like this one.
EasyPhil and Jim Peebles, stop fucking doing that, you fucking traitors. Ultravires, try taking your debate and argument classes again, learn to fucking debate the subject at hand, and quit fucking putting words into your opponents mouth.
Universe, c’mon, can’t you do any better? Someone must have some plausible defense out there! I’m trying not to fall into a news bubble, but I don’t know where to turn.
OK, I guess I meant “smarter Trump defenders”. There must be some smart people at the better right-wing think tanks who can put something out more useful than besmirching the Carter Page investigation (?) which is somehow exonerating Trump for reasons (?). Or, ridiculous “logical error” in the impeachment inquiry because now the English Language follows logical rules like XOR. There must be something that conservative legal scholars are hanging their hat on – why can’t our resident Trump supporters parrot those talking points instead? Why do they all have to be idiotic, disingenuous jerks parroting Russian propaganda and sticking their fingers in their ears when called out on their bullshit?
The “best” defense I’ve ever heard for Trump was from a guy on one of my FB debate groups:
“I didn’t vote for Trump because I thought he was a good guy. I voted for him because I wanted to watch DC burn to the ground. And so far, he’s doing a good job of that”.
A disturbing post indeed. But at least it’s an honest one, and it is not completely with out its merits.
Any “smart” answer would just make them look even worse than the stupid ones.
“We like the way he whips up the racists and empowers fascism” would be an accurate and intelligent answer; it also makes it clear that they are simply evil people.
Does he actually think our country would survive that? I grant you, there are many things wrong with our government and damned if I know how to fix it, but what he wants to have happen would, I think, wind up with us as a client state of, oh, Russia. I don’t think he’d enjoy that.
I can see only three reasons why anyone would support this dolt, only one of which is theoretically valid.
“I don’t give a fuck what he does, I’m getting the judges I want confirmed.” If that really is the only thing you care about, that makes a tiny amount of sense. But you get the same judges with a mainstream Republican as you do with this ignorant fascist, so the argument is quite thin.
“I like him because he hates the same people I do”. This is the bulk of his support. They are monsters and support him because he is a monster. Totally reprehensible and evidence of a complete lack of morality.
“BURN, BABY, BURN!” These idiots want chaos and love what they’re getting. But a bad attitude for any society to adopt.
For the right price (and a hot shower after) I could take a stab at it. If you want pro bono work (I don’t think you’ll like my rates for hazard pay), I could take on some selective tasks. I think policy measures would be easier to devil advocate than wackadoodle behavior, tweets, etc. Got a list of his idiocy for me to choose from?
“Vote Nero, 2020! He won’t just burn down DC, he’ll play the fiddle while doing it!”
Is it your contention that Hurricane Ditka, for example, was an intelligent, honest debater? I want intelligent Trump defenders.
I’m not really looking for someone to defend Trump in general, but a more intelligent poster who can defend Trump from impeachment, which is what EP and JP are cluelessly, impotently, dishonestly trying to do. Not in this thread – this thread is a rant, but in a better GD thread. There must be better talking points worth parroting out there. Also, to be clear, this isn’t a Trump pit thread, it’s pitting his lying, disingenuous, traitorous defenders.
Not speaking or the OP, but I see his point. 63 million people voted for him, SOME of them must like what he’s doing, and not because they are all bigots. Do they still support him? If so, why? Those are the people I believe the OP wants.
That’s the issue. There isn’t anything except parroting the taking points from right-wing media. I remarked in another thread that you will not see anything posted by a Trump defender until the Republicans have released their talking points on it. And that’s exactly what you see. There is a clear correlation between talking point to post in the impeachment thread. Ultimately, they have nothing because there’s no rationality, there’s no thought that goes into it. It is whatever their Republican masters tell them what to think.
I’m afraid you’re out of luck. This behavior, if done by any of his predecessors, would have resulted in impeachment and conviction. I go by the Nixon scale and call this about a 3 kiloNixon. By contrast, Clinton’s transgressions were about a 100 milliNixons. Seriously, how can you make an intelligent counter argument? The transcript the White House released is essentially a confession. The obstruction is not at all hidden.
Let’s say that I believe removing Trump from office will result in worse policies for the country, and that leaving him in the White House will result in better ones. Let’s also say that enough Senators, who likewise believe that things would be better with Trump remaining in office, vote to acquit. What would be left to say?
That’s what’s so disturbing about them. Six bankruptcies? Four casinos? $25 million judgement against Trump U, which he paid? The shuttering of his fake “charity”, the dozens of meetings with Russian operatives, which he, his family, and his staff then repeatedly lied about? To Congress? The idiotic, blatant, stupid lies-----thousands of them? His spite, malice, vicious, pettiness, envy, stupidity, and insecurity? His admiration and affection for Putin and Kim Jong Un?
He promised people that they could indulge their hatred. That’s it, that’s all. His promises would be ridiculous coming from an ordinary person, but from a con man with a history of cons, it’s pitiful that people even entertained them and him. This is the press conference that should have ended it all.
The sequence of events went like this.
Megyn Kelly asked him hard questions about women at a debate.
He sneered at her afterward, saying, “She was bleeding out of her eyes, nose, out of her wherever…”
General outcry.
Instead of attending the next debate, where Kelly was again moderating, he had his own thing to “raise money for veterans.”
He claimed he’d made millions of dollars and donated it to veterans.
Reporters checked with the groups he’d cited after a few days or weeks, and they said they had not received anything.
Trump held this furious press conference, where he attacked the press to their faces, in person, in a fury. The veterans’ groups had only just received some checks immediately before the conference.
8.That charming looking walking hemorrhoid to Trump’s left is a guy bamed Al Baldasaro, who has said he’d put Hillary Clinton before a firing squad if he could.
Trump was as angry as I’ve ever seen him. It was obvious he expected to make off with the donation money, because that’s what he does. He was furious at being questioned, even though he was completely guilty. He was enraged that he didn’t get his way.
That was a rare glimpse behind that orange mask.
What do you think Trump would do if suddenly, somehow, he got total control and was able to do whatever he wanted?
Not sure if my brother in law still supports him, but he HATED Obama, and wanted Trump over Hillary.
In any case, he is the CEO of a small oil equipment manufacturing company, and pretty well off. I suspect as far as business goes, he likes what he sees. Deregulation among a big part of it.