Hello. Why I hate George Bush.

I have been lurking on your fine message board for a while now, and thought I would announce my presence with a Bush-bashing post. IMO, there hasn’t been nearly enough Bush bashing since 9/11. It seems as if everyone is afraid of being seen as unpatriotic if they criticize Bush. It is a shame, though, because it is un-American to refrain from criticizing a public official who is doing a bad job. But it seems that this very stressful time has people drawing up the bridges, so to speak.

This is really in response to a statement made by Scylla in the Hillary thread, in which s/he said, “Probably for the same reason that Bush inspires such unreasoning hate in some other people.” The implication of this statement is that hating Bush is irrational. Well, it isn’t really an implication, so much as a direct statement. OK.

There are many good reasons to hate Bush. I shall enumerate the main reasons why I personally hate him.

The main reason I hate him is that he has had every advantage in life, and instead of using them, and growing from them, he has wasted them, and chosen instead to take the easiest possible road through life. He brags about being an average student. Now, being an average student is not immoral, but the way Bush does it is. It is as if he is saying, “see, I don’t have to work hard, because everything will be handed to me on a platter. Only the little people have to struggle and work for what they get.” While most people would love to have the educational opportunities Bush had, he got his education because of his name and his family’s money, and spent his time partying.

Of course, there are many worthless people like Bush who float through life on the name of their family. But, Bush seems to feel that he deserves all of the breaks he has received. His type of arrogance can only be seen in the super-privileged. It is the arrogance that is bred from the idea that he deserves the best not because of anything he has accomplished, but rather because of birthright. Every now and then, you will see this arrogance break through his thin veneer of humility, as when he uses a TV crew member’s skirt to clean his glasses as she isn’t looking.

Bush’s ignorant arrogance causes him to pursue policies without thinking deeply about them. He has accepted a pre-formed set of opinions which have been handed down to him by his handlers and those who paid to put him in office. Being intellectually undeveloped, he is very prone to being manipulated by those he surrounds himself by, and since he has never developed the ability to think critically, he is unable to weed out the bad ideas. Thus, he has become a mere puppet for the extreme Right wing agenda.

Red flags should have gone up around the country when Bush dismissed the Kyoto protocol as “fatally flawed” while Gerhard Schroeder was on an airplane heading to the US to speak with him about the matter. Bush killed the treaty before he had appointed a science advisor, and it is clear that he never read the treaty, and that he did not understand the science behind global warming and why it is a serious issue. He even made explicit that he cared more about the economy than the environment when he stated that he opposed the treaty because it would hurt the environment.

The contradictions inherent in this kind of stance remain out of Bush’s grasp. He is either unable to understand, or unwilling to confront, the fact that harming the environment will have worse effects on the economy, in the long run, than will saving it. And, being strongly motivated to please his major contributors, he is not likely to re-examine these beliefs.

His position on the environment shows a repeating pattern. He makes decisions based on what will please his contributors, and uses slick-sounding, but superficial arguments to bolster these positions. At no time does he engage deeply in any issue, and instead hovers at the periphery, being led by his handlers, and his pre-concieved notions.

Bush is a functional illiterate. He is able to read and write, but he is unable to glean from written words anything more deep than the most mechanistic and obvious of ideas. A man whose favorite political philosopher is “Christ” betrays that he has no ideas on political philosophy, and that he instead relies on his emotional reactions conditioned by his religious upbringing to make desisions.

Bush is the quintessential puppet, unable and unwilling to think for himself, and anxious to serve his masters, without whom he has no political future.

It is difficult for me to imagine a worse president than W.

WTF do you mean he hasn’t used his advantages to his benefit? He’s president, isn’t he? Can’t get much better than that.

I mean, he hasn’t used his advantages to improve himself. He hasn’t become an educated man, or a cultured man. Despite being ushered into the best schools in the country, he has remained an ignorant buffoon.

But, as to his becoming president, that was really a matter of luck, and having the right name and connections. He had a bankroll unseen in history, and used it to slander his opponent, and propagate misconceptions.

Bush was not elected (or selected) because he is a great man, and a great man for the job. Rather, he was elected because Bill Clinton got a hummer, he has lots of money, and he is willing to pay back his huge contributors with political favours.

This sounds more like a rant than a Great Debate!

Oh Mod, Mod.
Off to the pit?

Do you have a cite, just one will do, where GWB slandered
Mr. Gore?

Well, I would like to debate whether or not Bush is a worthless human being.

But, if you think this is a given, then maybe, yes, it should be shipped off!
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My favorite example of that was the “Who cares what you think?” incident…

Excellent point, sir!

I wholeheartedly agree. On top of everything else, I find that I believe him to be a fundamentally bad person. I abhored Ronald Reagan and everything he did and wanted to do, but I never felt he was a bad person. I felt he was a good man with lousy ideas. I feel very much that George is actually a bad man with bad ideas…

Welcome to the SDMB!

And Philo, I think this is very debatable, and themoon has stated his case without resorting to insults and name-calling, his reasons for hating Bush seem very sensisble, whether you agree or not.

Maybe Bush purposely understates his academic accomplishments. I never heard of anyone making it through Harvard Business School without working hard.

Bush ran a baseball team, ran an oil company, was Governor of Texas, and, of course, President. He must have done a lot of work, no matter how he presents himself.

Any evidence that this is a fair evaluation?

Of course the Kyoto Treaty was fatally flawed. The Senate had indicated as much by voting 98 to 0 against its key term. Clinton never brought the treaty up for a vote, because everyone knew it could never be approved. For better or for worse, Bush formally killed an already dead treaty, rather than maintain a pretence that it was still alive.

I tend to agree with a lot of what you say. However, one simply can not become president by being stupid. Bush has some sort of the right stuff for lack of a better word. You can comb through America and find tens of thousands of people who started out life with a birthright who didn’t amount to a hill of beans.

Stoid

What a surprise.

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One sentence Bush repeated endlessly during the campaign was that he was going to “bring back integrity to the White House.” This was a not so subtle slander against Gore, who was currently working in the white house, and his main opponent.

Perhaps the biggest misconception W propagated during the campaign was regarding the military. First there was his lie during the republican convention that 3 divisions were not ready for war. Then, he repeatedly said he was going to “rebuild a decimated military,” implying that he would put more into the military than would Gore. But, in fact, Gore proposed an increase in military spending that was more than twice what Bush proposes. Now, I don’t even agree with Gore that the military needed that much of an increase, but the point is that Bush was consciously spreading a misconception about who was more in favour of military build-up.

Then, there were the many ads run by republicans slandering Gore and the democrats, that Bush did nothing to stop, and only repudiated after having his arm twisted by the media. Recall the infamous democRATS commercial?

Bush and his managers did everything they could to bring up Clinton’s “dishonoring of the White House,” and how W would bring honor and integrity back. This was dishonest on many different levels. First off, he was not running against Clinton, but Gore. And you would be hard pressed to find a more honest man in Washington than Gore. W’s strategery was to slander Gore via Clinton, and to milk that for all it was worth. Every attempt was made to avoid actually talking about issues, and to put the emphasis on “character.” But even the emphasis on character was not honest, because no effort was made to show why Bush had more character than Gore. Rather, the emphasis was on slinging mud at the Clinton, and hoping that enough of it would stick to Gore. Unfortunately, this strategy worked.

It is hard to dispute the idea that if Clinton hadn’t recieved a hummer that Gore would be our president. Bush’s campaign was the dirtiest presidential campaign since his father’s.

This is going to come off insulting but… do you not have a very good imagination? I can easily imagine a worse President. Hitler, for instance, would be a worse president. So would David Duke. Osama Bin Ladin would make a rotten president. Space aliens who want eat our heads.

Ok, ok, silly, I know. What about Andrew Jackson? Massive corruption? Trail of Tears? I can do more than imagine a worse president, I can think of one we’ve had.

Bush hasn’t done anything amazing, I’ll give you that. And he has flubbed some things, possibly. But as far as I can see, and in my judgement, he hasn’t done much that would be called downright evil or that manipulates the law to violate the spirit of the Constitution, or usurps power to himself, or had anyone killed.

If you want this to stay a debate (and I agree it has potential to be a good one) you should ratchet down the hyperbole.

–John

Bush is NOT stupid.

He is a ruthless and sometimes astute politician. He is not a dummy when it comes to scoring political points, and he has learned to use his weaknesses to his advantage. He has succeeded in lowering expectations so that slight accomplishments seem quite large.

But, my point is that he is ignorant of the world of ideas, lacks any culture, and lacks critical thinking skills.

As for the other privileged people who did not become president, they were not sons of former presidents, nor were they well-connected to powerful business and political interests. Without his last name, he never would have gotten anywhere in life.

Welcome to the SDMB, themoon

Becoming President of the US is the easiest possible road through life. Right. Gotcha.

Well, he’s married, has raised a couple of kids…is that “worthless”? Getting a bit carried away, maybe?

Names, please (that goes for you too, Stoid, in the other thread). Names of persons, or of companies. Then maybe we can debate them.

I can think of one, without half trying, and his initials are RMN. But, like, whatever.

As this is more than likely headed for the Pit, I’ll salute you on the quality of your rant. I don’t care much for Dubya either. But a premise for a debate, this ain’t.

Just one spud’s opinion.

Hmmm…Interesting that you would say all these things. I hope you don’t mind if I reply to a few of them. I don’t claim to be well educated or to be up with the current political trends, but maybe you will suffer through my thoughts anyway.

Do you really believe that you could possibly have any good reasons to hate Bush? I read, and then reread all of your reasons for hating this man, and I find that he has never actually hurt you… I mean, why do you use the word hate? Has he flattened the building you live in? Has he killed the ones you love? Has he done anything to actually cause you distress, or anguish? As you have, I might also find it distressing that the man has wasted his chances for a better education. I might also be disapointed that our country would elect a man that could not form his own opinions without the severe influence of older men. However, this does not cause the bile of hatred to rise in my mouth. Especially in light of recent events, I have much better things to hate than the duly elected President of this country.

Besides, weren’t all of his oportunities just that, his? I didn’t get raised in a mansion. I wasn’t accepted to a good school just for my name. (However honorable that name might be) I might never be elected President based solely on the weight of my father’s name either. However, It is not my life, and I don’t pretend to live it by being mad at George W. Bush.

I want to take a minute right now to state that I don’t know what is right or good for everyone all over the country. However, I do know that no matter what the education, or how smart the man, no one can possibly know what is good for everyone or every demographic all over the country all at once. Therefore it is very important for a President to pick good council. You must have people around you who believe in the same things, but who can also focus on the details when you can not. This is obviously not just my idea. I can’t be sure about which President it was, but one of the first instituted the cabinet when the Constitution had given no provisions for such a body. I really don’t see this point as being arguable, but please show me where I am wrong. (besides my spelling, that is) However, you take the idea of council, and group it into the lump sum of the “extreme right wing agenda”

I find this extremely interesting, considering that I remember watching the news at the time when this happened. I say interesting because even the (extreme left wing) media praised Bush for seeing that the ideas presented in Kyoto were not strong enough to stem the tide of global warming that is most assuredly coming.

This is one of the saddest, most pathetic arguments I have ever heard. Do you not realize that the teachings of Jesus, in essence are little different from the teachings of Ghandi or Mother Teresa. These are broad and sweeping philosophical arguments, and should not be dismissed just because they are gentle and not cynical.

Oh, come on man, you don’t really believe that Al Gore was any better of a canidate that Bush, do you? They both seemed weak and inneffectual men at the time, and since then only Bush has even begun to prove his worth… Yes, Bush has shown his worth, especially in the last month.

However, as everyone can see, this is one of my first posts as well, and I would like to thank moon for giving me something to talk about. I might not have ever posted again if it wasn’t for him/her!

Well, I haven’t seen this much unsubstantiated and erroneous nonsense for quite some time now. Oh, where to begin…

Or of course, it may just be that they like what he’s doing. In case you haven’t noticed, he has a 90% approval rating. And you might also notice that plenty of politicians have taken heat since 9/11 when they do something the people don’t like. The entire House, for example, when they ‘bugged out’ earlier this week. People have been criticising them mightily for that.

Really? This is a guy who could have just laid on a beach for the rest of his life, like innumerable other rich playboys (many Kennedys, for example). Instead, he got a degree from Yale, and followed up with a Masters from Harvard. Then he owned several businesses, and became governor of Texas, and finally president.

Just what would he have to do for you to decide he’s not ‘wasting’ his gifts? Please be specific. And be prepared to have him contrasted against, oh, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, and just about anyone else.

How can you look at someone with a degree from Harvard and Yale, who was governor of one of the largest states in the Union, and President of the United States, and say that he’s been ‘wasting’ his gifts?

Really. I get the exact opposite message, which is, “even an average guy like me can make it in America.” BTW, what makes you say he ‘brags’ about it? Maybe he’s just being honest. Given that he was in fact an average student, just what could he say that would make you happy?

Oh, please. Did you do any partying in college? And apparently he didn’t spend ALL of his time partying, or he would never have wound up with a Harvard MBA.

There is no question that Bush was a bit of a rowdy when he was younger. What that has to do with who he is today is beyond me.

Examples, please. Point to something he has said that indicates that he is arrogant.

Oh, and let’s cut out this ‘super-privileged’ stuff. When you get up into the highest levels of government, almost all politicians come from those kinds of backgrounds. Al Gore, BTW, isn’t exactly a pauper, and he acts a hell of a lot more arrogant than Bush. And he wasn’t a great student, either. And unlike Bush, he never did much except serve in Government. Do you feel the same way about him? If not, please explain why.

Uh huh. Do you remember how long he deliberated over the Stem Cell decision? He was heavily criticised for thinking about it TOO much. And he called in consultations from dozens of experts.

Then of course there was the 90 degree shift he made in many of his policies after 9/11, which he has been understandably congratulated for. This is a guy who ran on a platform firmly against nation building, but once events changed, he recognized the necessity of it, and is doing so very well.

But before I continue refuting this, perhaps you should offer some evidence for your assertion. What evidence do you have that Bush is controlled by handlers? Or that he doesn’t think about his policies? Examples, please.

Well, this is getting tiresome, but… Examples? It’s easy to throw accusations like this around, but we really do need some proof here, since this is Great Debates, after all. What has he said or done that leads you to this conclusion?

The treaty WAS fatally flawed. It never stood a chance of ever being ratified, and had so many loopholes and exceptions that it was very difficult to implement.

Killing it had nothing to do with whether or not Global Warming was a serious issue, and therefore he didn’t have to consult a science advisor.

And Bush explicitly said that he believes Global Warming IS a serious issue. He just doesn’t want to attack it through the Kyoto treaty, which would never have worked anyway. You can choose to disbelieve him, but again, we really do need some evidence.

And the treaty WAS hurting the environment, because it wasn’t on its way to being ratified and in the meantime not much else was happening. Getting it out of the way paves the road towards a better protocol.

Wow. That’s the most simplistic environmental statement I’ve read in a long time. Does ‘harming the environment’ ALWAYS have worse effects on the economy? If I build a new house on an empty lot, I’ve harmed the environment. Would the economy be better off without that house? ALWAYS? If not, then perhaps YOU are the one who has trouble grasping the nuances of the environmental debate. There are costs, there are benefits. Where to draw the line is NOT an easy decision.

And guess what? EVERY politician is ‘strongly motivated to please his major contributors’. That’s WHY they are major contributors. Do you hate them all, or just the ones that don’t happen to agree with you?

Examples, please. Everything I’ve read about the man indicates that he’s a pretty quick study, and his performance since 9/11 has indicated that just about everything you’ve said about him is a load of crap. He learns fast, he’s capable of admitting mistakes and changing course, and for a ‘functional illiterate’ he sure seems to be impressing leaders all over the world right now.

Gee, ‘Christ’ was Jimmy Carter’s favorite philosopher too. And no one thinks he was dumb. In fact, this may surprise you, but quite a few people think that Christ said some pretty good things.

As for having no ideas on political philosophy, what do you base that on? Please, we really do need examples if you are going to keep this up.

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I take it you didn’t see his last prime-time press conference? You know, the one where he answered more questions for a longer time than any president had done since Reagan, and by all accounts gave very accurate, incisive answers to all questions? Unscripted?

Well, buck up. As faults go, failure of imagination isn’t the worse thing in the world. So you shouldn’t feel too bad about yourself.

I knew it, I just knew you were going to bring up that commercial. Well, guess what? Thanks to the glory of the internet, we can actually see that commercial, frame for frame, as it was originally aired.

The RATS AD

As you can plainly see, this was pure coincidince.

Yes, I agree, this one belongs in the Pit.

themoon wrote, in the OP:

You’re just jealous.

It turned out that there was precious little evidence that he had thought about it at all. He didn’t even bother to get an accurate count of usable cell lines before limiting research to those already available. He drew his arbitrary line in the sand for no better reason than political expediency.

[q]Sez themoon:
**Bush is a functional illiterate. He is able to read and write, but he is unable to glean from written words anything more deep than the most mechanistic and obvious of ideas. **
Functional Illiterate sounds like someone severely retarded by this definition.
Sounds like themoon’s just jealous a bit.
Seems to me this is a rant. In a debate, you prove or attempt to prove, anyway your points. This person is just ranting.

Sheesh!!!