Help me buy a computer...talk to me like I'm five

I don’t have a computer at home and am considering getting one for the following uses:

-Creating and printing newsletters, printing photos
-Word processing things like cover letters and resumes and other correspondence
-Maybe basic spreadsheet work
-convert CDs to mp3s and play them from the computer or put onto iPod (which one of those to get is another thread)

Internet Access

Right now I would only be able to dial up for internet service. How do I do that? Can I just use an existing phone line or do I need something special, like a subscription with someone? Do I pay a monthly fee and dial up as much as I want? What do I need on the computer to allow this?

Eventually we may get high-speed in our area, or I would consider Finowen - do I need to get anything included in the computer now to accommodate these things later?
So what am I looking for in a machine? I have used Macs and PCs before (no wars, please) and am open to either. What memory do I need? What do I need to convert music? What should I include now in case of more internet access later?

OK, make that a PC, since the Macs look to start at $1000?

Go get yourself a cheap Dell with MS Office Home Edition. You’ll also need a colour inkjet printer, possibly a laser printer too, depending upon print volume.

Dial-up internet uses a modem and your phone line. It’s very slow. I don’t know about dial-up ISPs in America, so cannot advise you there.

Well, The Mac Mini starts at $599, but you’d need to get a monitor, keyboard and mouse

Brian

GET AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD WITH THAT GLASS OF JUICE!!!
DON’T STICK PENCILS INTO THE THINGIE!!!

WHATEVER YOU DO DON’T PUNCH THE MONKEY!

Well, you did say, “Talk to me like you are five.”

I second the cheap dell advice. Make sure you tell them that you need a 56k modem for dialup internet. I’ve got a motherboard and CPU lying around. If you knew how to build your own I would have been happy to send them to you to save you some bucks. Good luck though!

You’re not my mother!!! :stuck_out_tongue:

Based on the OPs needs I’d suggest you simply buy the cheapest complete unit you can find that includes a monitor and printer. Even a refurbished unit would be fine. Here’s a decent Lenovo for sale at NewEgg. If you have a MicroCenter store in your area you will probably even be able to get something cheaper as they have refurbished units for sale in their stores. I bought a really good Dell Inspiron Slimline refurbished from there about a year ago that’s got some really impressive specs for the $369 I spent. Dual Core, 4 GB RAM, 250 GB HD etc.

For the tasks you’ve outlined the geek features and minutiae that describes every machine is fairly irrelevant. Every computer made in the last 3 years can do everything you need and about 10 times more. You simply aren’t going to be disappointed with anything for sale these days based on your very minor needs.

That said, almost no computers come with 56k Modems included any more. It’s a dead technology. Frankly, if all I could get was dial-up at home I wouldn’t even buy a PC. Modern PCs and Websites are so painful to use with that type of speed that’s I’d prefer to drive to the library and use a real connection. However, if you decide to get a computer for mostly off-line tasks you’ll have to specifically buy a Modem Card for about $10 and ask the store to install it for you. The prices Best Buy and the likes charge to do this are criminal so I really recommend that you find someone to do it for you or go to a store that will do it for free just to complete the sale. MicroCenter is particularly good about this in my experience.

Here’s another great deal at NewEgg for a refurbished HP machine with some pretty impressive specs. It’s DualCore 2.2 MHZ, 3 GB RAM, 320 GB HD and a 64-bit Vista installed. This machine would probably be powerful enough to last for 5 or 6 years without replacement. You’ll probably never tax it’s resources even a little with your modest needs. Of course, it’s refurbished so you might have issues and you’d need to buy a monitor and printer separately but with the cost savings that might not be a bad idea.

Shop around, find the best price you can with the Computer, Monitor and Printer. Then order a $10 Modem Card. No matter what you get it will be plenty powerful to handle your needs. Price should really be your only concern.

If you are buying a new machine, you are pretty much going to be stuck with Windows Vista. It’s junk but Windows XP machines are getting really hard to find. Do NOT buy the cheapest version (Home). Buy the next grade up (Home Premium). Whatever machine you buy, get the most RAM it will hold. XP runs OK with 1GB of RAM, Vista runs like a pig with 3GB. You’ll find some new machines with 4GB but that’s a waste unless it’s really cheap as the 32 bit operating system won’t use much more than 3. If you are going to do a lot of photo/video editing, graphics or game playing, you should have a separate video card with its own memory.

Don’t buy the most expensive (fastest) processor. (You will need at least a dual core processor though.) Buy a couple of grades below the fastest and invest the money in more memory and a faster hard drive. That will give you more performance.

For dial-up, you need an internal modem. For broadband you should have an EtherNet port (and built in wireless connectivity on a laptop). Most new machines come with those. You’ll need some kind of service provider (NOT AOL!!). Your new machine will probably come with sample software for various dial-up providers. When you get broadband your cable or DSL company will be the provider.

Beware of package deals. Most places want to sell you the computer, plus (cheap) monitor, printer, speakers, etc. You’ll get better stuff for less money buy shopping around and buying that stuff separately.

Don’t let some idiot at a big box store try to upsell you too much gigi. For your needs, literally any desktop computer being sold as new will fit your needs. You could go down to Wal-Mart right now and buy the cheapest computer on the shelf and it would be just fine for Microsoft Office type applications and playing music. If I were you, I’d try to find a good package deal with the computer and monitor and possibly an included printer for somewhere in the $500 range.

Windows XP or Vista (all computer come with one or the other - most have Vista) both have Windows Media Player included which allows you to “rip” or copy CDs to MP3 format on your computer. Then it’s as simple as copying and pasting your music from your music folder to your iPod folder.

If you have a lot (and I mean a lot) of music you want to copy to your computer, hard drive size is important. The average song when converted to mp3 is about 4 megabytes. There are a thousand megabytes in a gigybyte, so a 100gb hard drive would hold about 250,000 songs. Of course, there will be other things on your hard drive which will occupy a bit of this space - Windows, pictures, games, applications, etc. I would recommend getting a computer with at least a 150gb hard drive. You’ll find that when you actually own a computer, you’ll start using it for things you never thought you would and this can take a lot of space. For example, the gaming world’s biggest addiction, World of Warcraft, uses 12gb of space.

Also, check to make sure your computer comes with a 56k modem. Most computers still do, but I’m not sure if this is universal. If you decide to upgrade to broadband, any modern computer already has the hardware called an ethernet card (except for the modem, which your broadband provider will provide you). In the case of a cable modem, a wire runs from your cable jack to the modem. Another cable runs from the cable modem to your ethernet card.

As far as dial up internet goes, it’ll run you somewhere in the area of $10-$20 a month. You’ll run a phone cord from the 56k modem in your computer to your phone jack. No special hardware is required. As others have said, dial up internet sucks. it ties up a phone line, is unreliable, and sloooooooow. Broadband internet will probably run anywhere from $30 - $100 a month depending on location, your provider, and speed. Unless you’re a very casual internet user (checking your email and horoscope twice a day), you want broadband internet. It’s especially worth it if you want to watch videos and listen to internet radio or do multiplayer gaming. While dial up may satisfy you at first, you will end up finding a reason to get broadband.

If you find a computer you like and keep the money you have from burning a hole in your pocket, report back with the brand and model number and we’ll let you know if it’s a good deal or not. Good luck!

Edit: Crap. I need to stop fixing something to eat halfway into my post. I will get beat every time :slight_smile:

Or satellite, such as WildBlue or HughesNet. It’s pricier than cable or DSL, but for people like me who live out in the sticks it’s worth the $$$ (starting around $50/month, plus setup costs of a few hundred) and beats dialup by a country mile.

I would look for a refurbished dual core or core 2 system and install Windows XP on it with 2-4 gigs of ram. Memory is cheap. If you do a lot of photo work or think you will run 8 programs at once then get 4. If not, get 2 gb of ram. I personally don’t think large hard drives are useful unless you are storing movies on it. Even if you store a lot of music it doesn’t take up much space (8 gb of music is something like 6 continuous days of music). I would get a 250 gb internal hard drive and a 150 gb external hard drive. This way you can back up your documents and photos and music in case your internal hard drive crashes and you can also take them with you.

For software, you can download Open Office for FREE and it’s word processor and spreadsheet are damn close to MS Word and Excel. Seriously, it is good software and will continue to improve as people donate their efforts to it. The data base is marginal compared to Access but you didn’t specify a need for that.

The current Vista is crap because it won’t run older versions of many popular programs. Bill Gates should be in jail for this and I’m not kidding. Fuck Vista. It’s also a memory hog so I would stick to XP and feed it used software or shareware. It’s amazing what you can get for free in photo editing. I just downloaded XnView and it’s great bit of software as a scanner interface. There are many more on the net like it for free.

I would consider looking for someone on Craigs list who will build you a computer based on your needs. I just had someone from Craigslist go through my hard drive and reinstall everything after it crashed. He loaded software that monitored more items than my security system did. A true computer geek will set up a computer far better than anything you can buy off the shelf.

If you end up buying a computer and later discover that you need more hard drive space you can always buy an external hard drive that plugs into your USB port. It’s generally a bit more expensive and not quite as simple, but it’s good to have for making backups. It’s also good if you don’t have the money for a big hard drive right now because you can buy it (or them) as needed. It’s nice to have lots of USB ports, but you can always get a hub that makes 1 into 4 or 8.

Laptops are very convenient because you don’t have to set them up, but they are more expensive and less ergonomic.

I would also seek the advice of a computer savvy friend and have them help you shop online for a computer. I got mine off Ebay for $400, and it’s a decent machine…6GB RAM, 9600GT Nvidia video card, AMD dual core 64 bit processor. Of course, it didn’t come with a monitor, operating system, keyboard or anything else, but it was brand new and I did a nice clean install of Vista Ultimate 64 bit and it positively screams compared to my older XP machine.

I still don’t get the hate for Vista. I have had very few problems, and none of them couldn’t be resolved with a couple tweaks and some settings changes.

Also, do you have Comcast in your area? They are kind of a crappy company in many respects, but I have screaming fast internet that isn’t very expensive. If possible, avoid dial-up like the plague. Everything about it sucks.

There’s nothing wrong with it at this point. It’s just really cool to complain about it. :rolleyes:

The hate for Vista is because it takes up a lot of memory and doesn’t run older versions of popular software. None of the software on my computers will work with Vista and I have no need to upgrade to the newer versions. In fact, the new version of MS Office completely changes the traditional layout of Word and Excel. It took me 15 minutes to find the !#!#@% print function. There is no damn reason to change the layout of basic functions. If it were possible, I would rewire Bill Gate’s car (while he’s driving it) so his brakes work off the windshield washer button and the head light switch would be reverse gear.

Serenity now, Serenity Now, serenity NOW…

The ergonomic problems with a laptop can be solved with a keyboard and mouse which are sold in kits for very little money.

I hadn’t had a computer for a couple years when I got mine last summer (a Dell Inspiron, I like it very much), so old software and geeky stuff wasn’t an issue; Vista has been perfectly adequate for my needs.

You can use iTunes to transfer your music into mp3 format and they’ll sync automatically onto your iPod. I’m not sure if that will work if you decide to go with another brand mp3 player, though.

Official Microsoft Vista compatibility site.

The followup version of Vista coming out at the end of the year allows older software to run.

Let me get this straight. The fact that Vista doesn’t support every legacy system out there makes it a shitty OS? And in a thread by an OP who has no computer or computer experience the pissing and moaning about obscure legacy system issues are relevant how?