Help me teach my course in film and history

I teach a course that I think has an extremely interesting premise, and I always run into the same problem. The section I’ve designed of the course (the final requirement in composition in my university) is about a series of films based on 20th century historically based films (JFK, The Hurricane, etc.). After each film I assign readings based on the facts (newspaper accounts, biography selections, sometimes critiques of the films that expose distortions), and that’s basically what the students write about, the differences between the filmmaker’s agenda and the historical data he uses (or omits, or changes) to support that agenda.

With most students, this goes fine, and mostly I get a lot of raves: interesting material, good readings, “I always wanted to study the facts behind that film,” and so on. But every term, I get a few students who refuse to do any in-depth examination. Basically what they write is “So what? Movies are supposed to entertain, not to be some tight-assed professor’s idea of what really happened. Who cares? Not me. I plunk down my ten bucks to laugh, to be scared, and couldn’t care less what kind of car the real Ruben Carter was arrested in.”

Sometimes I get a variant on the above: “Movies are a business. The choices the director and the screenwriter made were made strictly for the bottom line. This film made millions and that’s what the director set out to do. If he had been more accurate, the film probably wouldn’t have made a profit Q.E.D., he was correct in doing what he did.”

The part that troubles me about both approaches is I think they’re both lazy. I take for granted that filmmakers don’t set out to lose money, and that they prefer being interesting to being boring, but that there is some artistry in film-making, and that most artistic choices are made to streamline the narrative. Real-life events are messy and complicated, and need to be distorted somewhat so that they can be synopsized in movie form—storylines need to be simplified, sometimes characters need to be eliminated from a narrative, sometimes the narrative has a backstory that isn’t essential to present on-screen, etc. What I ask for is an analysis of these elements, and a discussion of which ones actually distort history, and which ones present the events close to the way they happened, or equivalent to the way they happened, with minimal distortion.

But I’m finding it hard to convey what I DON’T want my students to do—no matter how carefully I explain this, a few students every term give me “It’s money” or “It’s just entertainment” instead of the nuanced discussion I want (and naturally complain that this is the stupidest course evah, and that I’m punishing them for speaking their minds.) Usually, I’ll actually grade such students on the same scale that I grade everyone else—this is, after all, a writing course, and I grade primarily on the quality of the writing, not whether I agree with each student’s opinions—but these two approaches to the subject tend to be very short, very repetitive, and pretty much content-free.

What might I do in future versions of this course to keep them on track? I’ve tried minimum word-counts, I’ve tried arguing in advance that each of these reductive arguments is flawed, but whatever I’ve tried I still get “I think movies are just for fun/commercial reasons” responses. Is this just human nature I’m struggling with? I think some students (who probably shouldn’t be studying liberal arts) simply resist thinking, and have found that this sort of approach has allowed them to pass their previous courses where they’re asked to think. Look at the nuanced discussion of history here and the objections Dopers find in filmed versions of that history—what can I do to encourage all my students to approach their writing with the same sort of rigor?

Don’t baby them. Tell them dismissing the assignment (which seems pretty clear to me) as silly or irrelevant simply indicates they haven’t learned the material and therefore will earn the failing or barely passing grade that you will give their papers, regardless of how lovely the grammar might be.

And I agree that, “I think movies are for fun so I don’t want to consider them in depth” is definitely lazy. Furthermore, a comment like, “Movies are a business. The choices the director and the screenwriter made were made strictly for the bottom line. This film made millions and that’s what the director set out to do," is beyond lazy; it’s ignorant. How the hell do they know what the director intended to do? Unless they can provide a quote from said director saying something like, “I didn’t care about history; I just wanted to make some money,” then their argument has no cite.

What the hell are students like that doing taking a film course anyway?

Geez Louise, these kids today. <Grumble, grumble, grumble…>

I agree with Maia’s Well, the students are being dismissive of the assignment, trying to skate by with minimal effort. It’s possible to write a content heavy version of “He/She did it for the money”, but it requires as much effort and content and historical analysis as “He/She is trying to make point x”.

Just out of curiosity, is this assignment set out as a persuasive argument type assignment, where the student supplies a perceived agenda and then attempts to provide reasoning for that agenda? Or is it one of those assignments where you just compare real life to the film?

Comparing college students with posters on this message board is a dangerous proposition. People post here mostly on subjects they are interested in discussing, students write papers because they are directed to do so to earn credit for taking the class.

I don’t agree: the dismissive submissions are perfectly valid, if backed up. For instance, with regard to the entertainment angle, the student should show how scenes, characters, themes, etc were made more entertaining.

IOW dismissing the movie without much thought is bad; dismissing the movie with a carefully constructed argument is good.

While I agree in theory, Quartz, and try to encourage dissenting views, the problem here is that “more entertaining” is a value judgment, and is hard to support other than by claiming “I liked this” and “I hated that.”

Let’s get specific: in “A Beautiful Mind,” director Ron Howard suppresses any implication whatsoever that his protagonist was bi-sexual, a marital philanderer, had kids out of wedlock, etc, presenting him as a loyal, straight family man who survives his mental illness through the steadfast love of his wife (whom in real life, he got divorced from, and later re-married.) This is an interesting problem, actually, because there are plenty of sensible, artistic reasons for eliminating all this messy stuff from the narrative, some of which is actually supported by LGBT critics, who want no association with mental illness and claim Howard’s decision to distort and over-simplify the character’s sexuality is beneficial to the LGBT community. But someone who claims that it was “more entertaining” to see Russell Crowe playing a straight guy, or that “people wouldn;t be entertained” by a picture about a bi- character ,or some such are just being lazy, IMO: how would you quantify such an argument? Even if you could, wouldn’t you just be making bigoted statements about the preferences of unenlightened people? Wouldn’t you find far more substance dealing with the issues here rather than the unsupportable opinion that something was more or less entertaining, especially in contrast with a version of the film that never made? I mean, more entertaining than what? Maybe Russell Crowe having gay sex would have been extremely entertaining–how could this possibly be supported factually?

So interesting, in fact, I’m about to make a CS thread about it!

I think it’s very important to allow dissenting views from your students, and they will respect you more for acknowledging the validity of their views.

But saying “IMHO Movies are supposed to entertain, not educate” is not the correct response either.

Something like “Enfield (2009) wrote that "Many- if not most- viewers of an historic film will believe that the events depicted are more or less accurate, and therein lies the heart of the debate vis a vis the “requirement”- spoken of by people such as Sherman (1998)- for “historic” films to be fundamentally true and correct versions of the events they purport to depict. This is contrasted with the view expressed by Usuthu (2001) that “As long as the audience is entertained, the filmaker has done their job. It is not up to the Director to also act as a tour guide and history teacher to those with no prior knowledge of events”. As such, I find Usuthu’s views the most accessible on a personal level, and when his school of thought is applied to [TITLE OF FILM THE PAPER IS ABOUT]… (etc)”, however, would be a perfectly valid Academic way of saying “I really don’t give a shit that the Nazis didn’t secretly have a plot to save Hitler’s brain, the movie was awesome with lots of explosions and gunfire and gratuitous sex, so there.” :wink:

(You can tell I’ve got a lot of academic papers to write at the moment, can’t you?) :smiley:

And thus is a good challenge for your students.

But imagine a biopic of Winston Churchill which concentrated on WW2. One could easily say that ‘by omitting the exploration of Churchill’s depression, the film was better able to present Churchill to its target market of young teenagers as the dynamic leader who led Britain through WW2’.

I took a Film as Rhetoric class in college (I was a film major). The whole purpose of the class was to look at how movies were propaganda.

Try adding Triumph of the Will to the syllabus fairly early on. It wasn’t made to be commercially successful or entertain. Its a brilliant piece of propaganda. And its damn fine filmmaking as well. Talk about what Reifenstahl wants you to get, how her vision of Nazi Germany was like and unlike the reality of Nazi Germany. Then use that to frame commercial recent Hollywood films. If necessary, get them to talk about them in comparison with Triumph.

While I was looking up trivia on IMDB, Dangerosa snuck in with a better answer.

My suggestion is to show two movies of the same subject but radically different POVs, such as They Died With Their Boots On and Little Big Man. Both were very successful, popular movies, so what’s different? Would each have been equally successful in the other’s era?

Interesting that you mention showing JFK. I was watching some program that tested the conspiracy angles etc. For instance, one sharpshooter made the three shots in the allotted time. The film treated it like it was an impossibility.

IIRC someone in the documentary said (words to the effect), “The problem is that Americans get their history from popular films, which take license, exaggerate, and so on.”

To me, whether the government lied to the American people is important. I know it isn’t always possible to determine what the facts really are or how they fit together, but it’s like Oliver Stone committed some of the very sins he claimed to expose. The irony, I think, is that the story was bound to be compelling no matter what.

Maybe your students need to have a dog in the fight. Something more recent, like 9/11 (which marks 8 years tomorrow), where the relevance to the students is more urgent. We still have troops over there, there’s money involved, questions about torture, illegal wire taps, and even things that impact them directly (such as heightened security at airports)…now which film would provide the springboard?

United 93 got a 7.9 rating on imdb.com

One of the amusing things about JFK - in fact, maybe the ONLY amusing thing - is that hardcore conspiracists supposedly don’t like the movie either. Stone did not follow any particular assassination conspiracy theory based on alternative views of the evidence, he made up his own, and in the process he failed to bring some of their contentions to light or contradicted them and (in their eyes) made them look bad to the moviegoing public. Historical accuracy was apparently not important to Stone.

The problem, as I see it, is NOT that some students like inaccurate movies, or think that made-up incidents in a movie that’s supposedly “a true story” (or “based on a true story”) can be highly entertaining or dramatically gripping.

The problem is that some students are shrugging off an assignment and not even taking it seriously.

On one hand, I think the central premise of Oliver Stone’s “JFK” is nonsense. And yet, I consider it the masterwork of a highly talented filmmaker. Therefore, if I were the OP, and I told my students to write a paper about the ways in which Oliver Stone’s “JFK” diverged from reality, I WOULDN’T be demanding that they write, “This film is a load of b.s., and the REAL Jim Garrison was a nutball.” I’d be delighted, in fact, if students made cogent, intelligent defenses of some of Stone’s choices. A student could make a VERY good case that Stone’s made-up scenes were highly effective from an artistic and dramatic standpoint. If a student wrote a detailed, pithy article explaining both where Oliver Stone diverged from the known facts and why he was right to do so, I’d gladly give him an A.

But if he wrote, “Who cares if it’s not historically accurate, it’s just a movie,” I’d give him an F.