Quebecois! Hehe, nope. More redneck than blue blood. I’m 40ish and have trouble with my own language, English. I did manage to get to the States during my time in. Unfortunately, not Florida, but Alaska in the middle of Winter. Pulling 200lb toboggans up Mt. Mckinley at -50C.
Me: “What are all those vehicles?”
Sgt: “Those are the Americans going back to the base”.
Me: “When are we going back to base?”
Sgt: “Put up the tent, you idiot. We’re Canadians, this is our base”
It’s been fascinating to watch this thread slowly drift off-topic, but considering that none of the usual culprits have bothered to show up to defend themselves on the subject of the OP I don’t really mind.
I started the damn thing in hopes of revealing that the so-called “bleeding-heart liberal” is a strawman so big it makes the Wicker Man look like Malibu Barbie, but as everyone here seems to realize this, feel free to continue with the hijack in progress.
OK. My mocking of your source obviously didn’t communicate the inadequacy of your argument. I’ll have to spell it out. “I saw on 60 Minutes…” doesn’t prove a point. If you want to make some point about the poor ignoring jobs that are just waiting for them, you better provide something better than “I saw it on 60 Minutes.”
And, not withstanding the fact that we’re discussing a (as far as I know, mythical) segment on a current affairs program, from your comment “I’m sure they must have digitally added the door between the main hall of the shelter and the employment agency,” you have no idea of the power of editing (and, no I’m not talking about digital manipulation) or the depths to which current affairs shows will sink.
And you may cry…
…until you’re blue in the face, but, regardless of the forum, without a cite, anything you say doesn’t mean shit. So buddy, talk about all the 60 Minutes programs you’ve seen, because I saw on 60 Minutes that Iraq was all about oil so that high-profile United Statesian conservatives could oil themselves up and have wrestle-fights more cheaply.
It’s true.
No, cite, this is the pit after all.
You’re just going to have to believe me.
Yes, according to you. Why do you suppose that your feelings about what is “right” should be imposed upon the rest of society???
Is anyone going to address any of my questions or the underlying reasons I used to support my beliefs?
Do you still support imposing your beliefs on others?
Absolutely. No one has given me a logical reason to change my mind.
I’m seriously interested in hearing your answer. WHY do you think you have the right to impose your beliefs on others?
Because you’re right?
Oh, cut the crap, Milroyj, we impose our beliefs on others every day, all the time. You get pissed at your neighbor, you may not bash in his skull, however deserving he may be. You walk in the park waggling your weenie at young girls, you will find yourself athwart societal norms.
Now, if it is your contention that property rights are somehow sacred, that possession is not only nine tenths of the law but somehow sacrosanct, you are welcome to it. Personally, I consider that just slightly better than savage. And if you try to impose that view on me, my children, my society…I will resist.
As will others.
I don’t know if I’m right or not. I am (rather impatiently now) waiting for some reasons which show me I am wrong. Something reasoned, logical, and not based on “But it’s my money!” (because my money pays for stuff I don’t agree with, either).
That’s a rather inappropiate comment, don’t you think?
See, it doesn’t matter if you are right or wrong, the question is, why you assume you can impose your belielfs on the rest of us.
I enjoy a liberal amount of mayo on my baloney sandwich.
Why ask why, man? Why do you assume you can impose your beliefs on me?
milroyj, go back and read the goddamn OP. Then read that bit where I attempted to logically explain why I believe what I believe. Now it’s your turn to logically explain why I shouldn’t believe what I believe. If you can’t do that it calls the whole “liberals think with their hearts, conservatives with their brains” thing into question.
This is less of a definition of the difference between a Liberal and a Conservative (at this particular time AD and in this particular geographical location) and more of a symptom. I feel that being Liberal is showing a tendency towards stability (welfare, social security) and being a Conservative is a tendency towards aggression (military, less taxes). Being a Libertarian, I’m just against the paperwork.
I totally understand why you believe what you believe. Problem is, I disagree. And, I have never suggested that my views should be imposed on you. On the other hand, you seem to think that welfare, tax increases, food stamps, medicare/medicaid/ social security etc. are some how God-given rights. They are not. How old are you, anyway?
I don’t believe in God, so that can’t be it. Hmm…what could it be. Oh, wait! I posted it up there! Right, the Constitution! The whole “promote the general welfare” bit!
And I will tell you my age if and when you come up with some sound logical reasons that prove my beliefs are invalid. Or are you going to stick with heart-felt invective?
I think we are arguing past each other. Like I said, I don’t care if your beliefs are valid or not. Why do you want to impose them on me?
Why the hell did you even post, then? Beliefs are beliefs. If you want to make any headway you’d do better to attack the foundations upon which those beliefs lie.
In this case, I want to impose them on you, personally, because you are being a pest. Is that a good enough reason?
No, it’s not. Why should your beliefs, however good they might be, be imposed on other people?
Hint: I don’t care about your beliefs. You are fully entitled to them. But why should they be applied to everybody else?
Answer the freaking question, already.