Help recommend me a computer/parts

I have finally gotten fed up with my old slow noisy media computer, and I want a new one. This computer will be for fairly limited and specific use, and I think I can get away with buying something quite cheap, but I’m not sure.

I will use it to do the following:
Output display to a 1080p HDTV
Watch Netflix Online content
Watch Hulu/youtube/whatever video
Serve some files over smb to one or two other computers.

The first means I want either DVI or HDMI video output. The second means that it has to run Windows. Sorry Mac fans. I know I could use Parallels/Boot Camp/VirtualBox, but I’m guessing that there will be a cheaper Windows box than the Mini that does everything I want it to. If Netflix would get off their butts and Apple would put a browser on the AppleTV, I’d totally get one of those.

Since it will be in my living room and I’ll watch movies on it, I want it to be as close to quiet as possible. Now, I’m not going to go crazy, but if I can get something that’s passively cooled, that’d be nice. Price is definitely a factor.

Right now I’m considering Dell’s cheapest desktop listed on their website, the Inspiron 530s, + a $50 video upgrade to get DVI out, but I’m worried it’s going to be noisy.

I’m perfectly capable of building my own, but it’s only worth it to me if I can save a little money at it. I doubt there’s much of anything in my current box that will be useful, so I’m basically starting from scratch.

Suggestions are appreciated.

If you’re not going to be doing any serious gaming on it, you should be able to put together a very nice (and quiet) machine at a low price. I would recommend building it yourself; you’ll probably save quite a bit, and you’ll be able to pick and choose your cooling solutions for optimal silence.

You could start with a decent passively cooled graphics card, like this Geforce 8600GT. It has DVI and S-video output, and it’s only $85 before a mail-in rebate.

As for a CPU, I’d recommend something inexpensive that runs cool and at a low voltage, like an E7300 Core 2 Duo. It should have more than enough power for a media center PC, and it’s one of the cheapest 45nm Intel CPUs available. You could pair that with a passive CPU cooler like this one; it should be more than enough to keep a low-speed 45nm CPU running comfortably.

Then you’ll want a motherboard with passive chipset cooling as well. Higher-end and enthusiast motherboards often have extremely noisy high-RPM fans cooling the northbridge, but since you’ll be running at very modest speeds, there’s really no need for that. Something like this should work well. Basically anything in the $80-$100 price range that is reasonably well-reviewed and supports the 45nm CPUs without a BIOS update should be a good choice.

So that puts you at about $340 so far. Then you’ll just need some memory (2GB of DDR2-800 should be fine), a hard drive, a power supply, an optical drive, and a case. For the case I’d recommend a mid-tower with room to fit at least two 120mm fans: one in the front, and one in the back. You can get 120mm fans that are very nearly silent, but will keep enough air flowing through your case to keep everything nice and cool.

Well, now that I’ve taken a look at the Inspiron 530s, I can see its price point is pretty darned low for the basic model. That’s usually how it is with the big box retailers: their cheap models are dirt cheap, but their high-end machines cost $800 to $1000 more than it would to simply buy the components yourself. They really overcharge you on the upgrades.

However, one problem you would encounter with the Inspiron: it comes in a very slim case, which is possible because they all use onboard graphics chipsets, meaning no graphics expansion cards. Chances are, you would not be able to fit a standard video card into that case. There are low-profile PCI-e cards, but that would limit your field of options quite a bit.

Anyway, I’m going to give them a run for their money. Here’s my first go, trying to match their specs as closely as possible:

CPU: Intel Celeron E1400 2.0GHz Dual-core processor
Motherboard: ECS LGA 775 Intel 945GC Micro ATX motherboard
Memory: 2 * 512MB Kingston DDR2-667 Dual Channel SDRAM
Hard drive: 250GB Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM
Optical drive: LITE-ON DVD burner
Case/PSU combo: Linkworld MicroATX mini-tower case with 430W PSU

Total price on Newegg: $230.76

This package is actually somewhat better than the baseline Dell Inspiron 530s, since it has a dual-core Celeron instead of a single-core. Of course, the rest of the parts are the same sort of cheap, lowest-bidder crap you will get with a Dell. I would strongly recommend against buying such a system, and instead pushing up the budget just a bit into the $400-ish range. You’ll be able to get much nicer components overall, and you’ll be saving even more money over a comparable Dell machine.

Of course, the one thing I can’t beat them on is the bundled operating system, but that’s really a given in the low end machines, since Microsoft has such a vested interest in ensuring that the bargain basement PCs from the major retailers all ship with a copy of Windows. If you happen to have a license for your old machine and you won’t be using it anymore, that would probably work fine. Or you could pony up $90 for an OEM copy of Vista or XP Home Edition.

Personally, I would recommend starting with the parts I suggested in my post above. You could actually scale down to a cheaper CPU if you want, like the Celeron I listed above; it probably won’t make a huge difference for your usage scenario, and it’s $60 cheaper. You could probably take off another $30 or so by dropping to a cheaper graphics card, but it’s worth pointing out that the 8600GT at $85 (or this one, at $70) is going to be leagues beyond the cheap Radeon that Dell charges you $60 for.

Then toss in a hard drive, some RAM (scratch the DDR2-800; DDR2-667 will be good enough, and cheaper) a good cheap PSU, and a roomy mid tower case. Since silence is a priority for you, a slightly larger case would probably be helpful: the roominess and improved ventilation will help keep your devices at comfortable temperatures even with passive coolers. I would still recommend a pair of quiet 120mm fans, though. (Or heck, maybe a Celeron will be fine in stagnant air with a good enough cooler. I just know I wouldn’t feel entirely comfortable doing that myself. I’ve never built a machine that didn’t require serious cooling just to stay stable. I’m running a Core 2 Duo E8400 overclocked to 4.05GHz right now. :smiley: I suppose you could try it yourself and monitor the core temperatures, and add a fan or two if it gets too hot.)

Thanks, Stealth Potato, for all your work putting together recommendations.

I totally agree that the first computer you specced out is far superior to the crappy Dell, but the allure of a $300 price tag is pretty strong.

Building my own does have some pluses. I already have a DVD burner, so I can use that. I’m sure that I can reuse the hard drive, although it’ll be ATA133 or something. I had completely forgotten the OS issue, but I do have a real license for XP, so I can reuse that on the new box. Maybe I should just replace the mobo, CPU, RAM and video card. My PSU fan has been really noisy lately, so I may need to replace that, or maybe just clean it.

It’s been a long time since I’ve considered video cards, so I really have no idea what I need. My current card is a GeForce Ti 4200, bought when it was a $100+ card, to give you an idea. I really don’t do any (modern) computer gaming. The only games I play are, like, Civ 2 and Warcraft 3. Absolutely nothing I need fancy new video card features for. In fact I might just see what the other improvements get me wiithout touching the video card. It does have a DVI output…

Well, I would definitely advise getting a better-than-onboard video card in any case. If you really want to go for something inexpensive, you could get a passively-cooled Geforce 6200 or 7200 for probably $30 or so, and it’ll be a significant improvement over onboard video, even for fairly basic applications like video playback and simple games. For one thing, onboard video steals some of your RAM for its memory, since it has none of its own.

Probably a good idea to replace the PSU as well, and probably the hard drive while you’re at it. Both of these components can be had fairly cheaply, and are common points of failure. If your hard drive still uses the old ATA ribbon cables, it’s probably time for a new one anyway - you’ll have more space, faster transfer speeds (which means more responsive applications), and the peace of mind that comes with not having to wonder if your disk is about to give up the ghost any day now. :slight_smile: