:glares at Excalibre
He-who-must-not-be-named just got summoned, and I blame you!
Daniel
I’m sure Tris is grateful for your ringing endorsement, lekatt. Should do wonders for her credibility.
Not in moderation. As has already been pointed out, anything can be harmful in excess.
Sorry, that was inappropriate on my part, lekatt.
To address what you say, you’re correct that alcohol is a poison. So is everything else, as I pointed out.
When you say that alcohol kills brain cells, I’ll ask you for a cite. Here’s one to get you started:
Glad to fight your ignorance, friend!
Daniel
Recovering alcoholic here.
Casual alcohol use in my early years was in no way comparable to the reasons that I used after I was an alcoholic. It was not part of a spectrum. Becoming an alcoholic was more like a switch being flipped. There are hundreds of studies that detail the biochemical, neuroanatomical, and physiological changes that distinguish alcoholics from non-alcoholics. These do not occur on a gradual curve.
I have given addiction a lot of thought. Here is my definition:
“Addiction is when someone has to work to avoid engaing in a behavior rather than choosing to enage in it.”
First, Tris is a guy. With a big beard.
Second, Tris has credibility in spades. What we have here is a communication problem.
http://www.robertperkinson.com/alcoholism_statistics.htm
Two different sections in this one, shall I keep looking?
I had the occassion to see an alcoholic’s brain, removed after death, it was shunk, and black. Anytime you get tipsy drinking alcohol your liver can’t handle the volume you are drinking and the raw alcohol goes directly to your brain. You are not doing anyone a favor by suggesting they drink in any volume.
Go fight your own ignorance, I will take care of mine by learning.
Which specific section of that (godawfully laid out) website are you looking at?
I’m skeptical about this “shunk and black” brain: did you see this in a carnival sideshow or something? Where did you see it?
As for “the raw alcohol goes directly to your brain,” that’s absurd. As the article I quoted said, a lethal dose of alcohol is 0.1%; that’s the maximum solution that could go to your brain. That’s hardly “raw alcohol.”
And I’m not suggesting that anyone drink in any volume. Perhaps you should learn about bearing false witness.
Daniel
If past experience is any indicator, I seriously doubt this.
In case lekatt was being figurative, another cite.
That cite of yours must have been funded by the alcohol industry. Alcohol is a poison, why would anyone want to drink poison. The only reason I can think of is for social “kicks.”
If you need that kind of excitement in your life, you are doing something wrong. The world is full of natural entertainment without drugging yourself stupid.
http://www.crossingsrecovery.com/pages/factson.html
lekatt, do you drink anything? If so, you drink poison. See previous cites.
This would be a good time for you to admit that you misunderstood alcohol’s effect on the brain. Show us that you can learn something! I’m all about giving folks second chances, and admitting that alcohol doesn’t kill off a noticeable number of brain cells doesn’t mean that you’re suddenly promoting alcohol; it just means that you’re recognizing one, rather trivial, fact in the discussion.
If you refuse to recognize that this fact is true, I can only conclude that you’re interested in arguing from ideology, not from the facts at hand.
Daniel
Looks like we have ourselves a modern “Women’s Christian Temperance Union” forming here on the SDMB. They don’t care that many people enjoy alcohol in moderation. All alcohol is evil. It’s all about ideology here. And the first thing that ideologues do is twist the definitions of words around to suit their own purposes.
Well, if all it is is poison, it’s a good sort of poison.
I have lived long enough to see what alcohol does to people. Broken families, lost jobs and businesses, suicides, going insane, etc. I have seen all of this among friends and acquaintances. If you think I will ever say alcohol is beneficial you’re wrong. People go from moderation to heavy when a life crisis appears. Once you are hooked it is darn near impossible to shake loose. The best thing is to never start in the first place. It has nothing to do with morals, it has to do with intelligence.
Of course, drinking to excess is terrible and many avoidable tragedies have occured due to alcoholism. However, most people are not alcoholics. So, for MOST PEOPLE, moderate drinking CAN have health benefits, as listed in the linked article in my previous post and other articles linked in this thread.
I don’t care if you ever say that alcohol can be beneficial. It CAN BE whether or not you will admit to it.
You’ve been caught in lie number one, lekatt. (Alcohol kills brain cells - false!) Now what you’ve done in this quote is simply using rhetoric to imply something false (that alcohol use necessarily leads to addiction) - it’s not an out-and-out lie, but it goes to show your difficulties with arguing issues honestly. I know you have strong opinions, but that doesn’t mean you get a break from telling the truth.
Hey, I gave him his chance to admit that he was factually incorrect. His unwillingness to do so seems a strong indication that he doesn’t intend to discuss the issue forthrightly; I suggest that we not entertain him until he changes directions.
Daniel
http://www.juiceguy.com/Alcohol-is-a-poison-it-kills-brain-cells.shtml
http://www.axel-and-alice.com/ddcl/ddca/ddca0174.html
http://www.research.buffalo.edu/quarterly/vol10/num01/n1.shtml
Why do people get drunk? Because their brains are being damaged by the alcohol, doesn’t take a rocked scientist to figure that out.
So what, if they grow back, why damage them in the first place, intelligent people don’t.
Yeah, somebody who calls himself “The Juice Guy” is a reliable source of medical research data.
From this cite:
Even though this doctor has a bias against alcohol use, at least she has the integrity to admit to all the facts, something you are incapable of.
This is in the developing brain of a fetus, not an adult. This is dishonest on your part.
From this cite:
I don’t know if it was intentional, but this cite proves the opposite of your statement.
This only applies to alcoholics who abuse alcohol. Alcohol in moderation has not been shown to kill brain cells.
There is no research to support this.
Lekatt, one more chance for you to be honest. Did you read all those cites before linking to them?
By the way, the idiom isn’t “rocked scientist,” it’s “stoned scientist,” although I’m not sure why they’d be experts in the field.
Daniel