The problem is that this “God club” is very influential and considers interfering into the affairs of others its moral obligation and condemns anyone who disagrees as not worthy of so many good things. To a secular person who can think for himself, the threat of excommunication won’t mean shit, but to a religious person, it poses a dilemma. This is very unfortunate because more people should just tell these pious blowhards to fuck off in situations like this and that having an opinion for oneself is a good thing, while the persistent threat of this or that is really nothing more than bullying so they can have their way.
Well ,if its a long standing rule ,it must be OK. Let a 9 year old die . Wouldn’t want to break a rule would we.
Actually, no. See, if you were a normal, literate person, you’d note that I specifically ceded the argument that abortion is immoral, thereby side stepping that entire debate. One does not have to support abortion on demand to find the Catholic doctrine as applied to this particular case reprehensible.
Funny thing about that - you can’t actually get fisted by something that can’t make a fist. So your insult here, like virtually everything you’ve ever posted to this board, doesn’t really make any sense.
Do you have any idea how badly you suck at analogies? Points for being consistent, though: you seem to suck at just about everything else, too.
Still waiting for you to show where anyone here is arguing from ignorance.
Last time I checked, the vast majority of Catholics were born into that religion. So, once again, you’ve managed to create an analogy that fails on just about every level.
I wanna start my own GOD CLUB!
Ok, sorta. But really, I just want the tax-free status.
God Club.
That’s gold.
Nothing to see here, info had already been provided.
The First Rule of God Club: Talk about God Club to eeeeeeeeeveryone…
You are looking at this backwards. It is a good thing for people to leave the Catholic church. In the long run it doesn’t matter a whole lot if they leave on their own or get kicked out for some rule violation.
In fact, a lot of the people who are kicked out would never leave on their own, so they are benefitting. We can hope they reflect on the arbitrariness and moral bankruptcy of the church’s actions and stay away.
Like others, I am utterly at a loss to figure out how you equate a guy in a hat with explosives ready to go off with a nine year old girl who has been raped by her father. But I’m going to stop trying to parse through that analogy and just let it slide.
I want to spend my time on this:
“If the sign in the door says ‘we punch red-hatted people who enter’ feel free not to enter.”
We’re not entering. We’re standing as far away from the door as possible. But, again, in this case “red-hatted people” are “people who help save the life of a nine-year old victim of rape by incest.” You get that?
If I tried, I couldn’t come up with a more ridiculous, off the wall, strawman like argument against the Catholic Church as the true story provided to me in this thread. It is so mind bogglingly out there, if someone had posed it last year as a philisophical hypothetical in Great Debates, they’d have been pitted themselves for what amounts to emotional pornography.
But it did happen. By making that analogy, as weak-assed as it is, you’re literally saying “If you don’t like a religion that condones the excommunication of those that helped save the life of an innocent girl raped by her father, well, I guess you don’t have to join. You knew the rules before you entered the room.”
As if that justifies everything.
Yeah, I’m not going to join. I don’t think we have any cause to worry about that.
I’m sure most Catholics would think it’s better for the 9 year old to carry the twins to term, hoping for a miracle, and if it kills her, she’ll go straight to heaven. But abortion sends her straight to hell.
Remember, guys, god loves you and has a plan for you. If god’s plan includes getting impregnated by your rapist father at the age of 9 and then everyone around you being kicked out of their religion for providing a medically-necessary procedure, well, then that’s just god’s will and you’d best just bend over and take it.
Now I’m wondering if a nine-year-old gets a Church-appointed Cha’dich.
The God of the Bible is many things but one thing He is not is “nice”. Even in the NT, the closer you are to God the more likely you are to suffer a really unpleasant death.
Which is fine if your end goal is located in the afterlife but not much fun in the meantime.
Does that cloak of self-righteousness help keep you clean when you’re painting with that enormous brush?
Jesus: Now answer me, why do people think that I’m you?
The LORD: I think you know.
Jesus: No, I don’t.
The LORD: Yes, you do. Why would anyone possibly confuse you with me?
***Jesus: *** Uh… I… I don’t know.
The LORD: You got it.
Jesus: No.
The LORD: Say it.
Jesus: Because…
The LORD: Say it.
Jesus: Because we’re the same person.
***The LORD: *** That’s right. All the ways you wish you could be, that’s me. I create like you wanna create, I smite like you wanna smite, I am angry, jealous, and most importantly, I am one wrathful omnipotent motherfucker in all the ways you are not.
Pretty much the same here.
Some of us did bail out.
From your link:
(bolding mine) How are the people involved in this abortion not acting out of grave fear for the life of the child-mother? This isn’t just the church sticking to their rule and refusing to make an exception for a special case, they’re choosing not to use an already available exception written into that very rule. They’re willfully making a terrible situation even worse by adding to the mental and emotion stress of the poor girl’s mother.
Okay, this made me laugh a lot.
Actually, I used a narrower brush than necessary, as I only pointed out the smudgies. There’s millions more who are every bit as culpable.
And it really doesn’t take much self-righteousness at all to be appalled by the actions/inactions of the RCCs officials and the millions of folks who provide approval and support of such actions/inactions.
Sorry if you don’t like that, but until they change, they deserve no slack.
Miller, thanks for taking care of the nitpick about fisting. It was really bothering me, the whole “no opposable thumbs” routine. Also, it leaves me free to deal with this:
Begbert2, come over here for a minute, I want to discuss something with you.
TENET!
Thanks a lot, eh?