Hemp oil for pain relief

Make that 0.3% THC. :cool:

Inside two years? Saying gradually don’t seem right, come to think of it. As of now I’m very near sighted.

I wear my old glasses around the house because my new glasses are too strong for close up.

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I wear these to drive and to see far. They are two years apart.

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[Moderating]

Since it seems the studies are thus far mostly inconclusive, this is probably better for IMHO than GQ. Moving.

One of the side effects of the “opioid epidemic” is scammers touting dubious products alleged to aid in opioid withdrawal, or to provide equal or better pain relief.*

I see CBD oil being touted for people coming off opioid drugs, with (again) very limited evidence for its usefulness in this setting.

*acupuncturists are another group seizing on concern about overprescribing of addictive pain meds to urge health care spending on their practices. Supposedly the V.A. is hiring acupuncturists now, which should go over well :dubious: with vets suffering from chronic pain. At least it’s not as bad as “battlefield acupuncture”.

I have an elderly dog. She’ll be 14 January first. She’s suffered from joint pain and stiffness for about three years now. About 9 months ago, a friend told me that her elderly dog seemed much better after she started him on treats containing hemp oil, so I bought some for my girl. The improvement in her mobility was striking, after about 2 weeks.

I have extensive arthritis, and have had since age 20. So, I thought, “If it works for the dog, maybe it will work for me. After all, it’s not like the dog is exhibiting a placebo effect, since she has no clue there’s anything medicinal about those treats.”

Ordered me some CBD oil. Unfortunately, my results were far less spectacular. BUT—15 years ago I had my small intestine re-arranged in a form of weight-loss surgery that causes me to only absorb about 20% of the fats I eat. I’m thinking that the CBD oil didn’t work well for ME because I’m only absorbing about 20% of the actual dose. I do have friends who swear it’s done wonders for their arthritis pain.

Well, there’s a huge market for that sort of product right now. Not enough buprenorphine docs out there to handle all the potential customers. And the paperwork necessary to run a buprenorphine practice is pretty onerous too. Plus lousy insurance reimbursement for all that work.

In a pinch, tramadol works nicely, start qid dosing (starting dose range is variable, depending on body mass, opioid abused, etc.) and reduce it by 50mg every other day until off. Works like a charm, but one must use the fig leaf that it’s being prescribed for pain, as it is not an approved detox drug. Even so, our state Medical Examining Board representatives are making it known that docs can get their patients off opioids by that route. That’s how bad the epidemic is.

Don’t get me started on acupuncture . . .

Really? This is just my experience of course, but I find that Tramadol (when I use it for pain relief) DOES give me a pleasant sort of high.

Then again I took Vicodin for chronic pain for many years (long story) and did find that it gave me a buzz, but now if I try one for pain–say I wrench my back–it neither dulls the pain, nor makes me high, but rather gives me horrible semi-waking nightmares.

I’m citing tramadol there for its usefulness in managing opioid withdrawal. A tapering course over 2 weeks will get anyone off opioids relatively comfortably, no matter how much heroin/fentanyl/oxycodone they were using before.

Of course it must be supervised, and the patient will need to be highly motivated, or they’ll just go out and use again. Sad fact about addicts, that. I speak from both professional and personal experience there.

Thanks for clarifying. So the fact that you can get a mild high doesn’t rule out its use for this purpose. Interesting to know.

Addicts get euphoria from methadone and buprenorphine too, but that doesn’t preclude using those meds to manage withdrawal. Again, dosage must be controlled, and the addict not allowed to supplement the planned doses.

Curiously, not quite true. There is such a thing as placebo effect by proxy - see here, for an example:

A placebo by proxy effect occurs when a patient’s response to therapy, assessed either objectively or subjectively, is affected by the behavior of other people who know that the patient is undergoing therapy

And you do see placebo effects in animals, which I presume must be by this mechanism, for example:

dogs with epilepsy: Placebo effect in canine epilepsy trials - PubMed or

cats with joint disease: https://veterinaryrecord.bmj.com/content/180/19/473

Not saying this is the case for your dog, obviously; but I thought you might be interested to know. (In the cat study, if the caregiver is recording scores, it must be difficult to deconvolute a scoring bias from a genuine placebo. But that doesn’t detract from the main point.)

j

No doubt the area attracts a lot of cranks, but there is serious research too.

Your body runs on endogenous cannabinoids*. The potential medical benefits from exogenous cannabinoids (like those listed) is enormous. Snake oil it ain’t.

j

    • and many other systems too, obviously

What we have here is proof that no two people are alike. It’ll either help you or it makes it worse. Since I’ve been taking hemp oil 2x a day I’m really feeling better. I’m sleeping better, better BMs and just feeling a lot better. Even better moods. My neck pains seems to be better but still annoying. I still take my meds as usual.

There’s one exception though. Sometimes I skip a Hydrocodone pill and take a 500mg Tylenol and 3x 200mg Ibuprofen together. Seems to work as well as that crap narco I have.

Bumped for germane research results.

Well, let’s see.

Once you get past the press release hype, this study was about isolating a couple of flavonoid compounds in C. sativa that have shown significant anti-inflammatory activity in animal cell models - apparently not in animals themselves, much less humans.

The university’s press release notes that these compounds are found in too small concentrations in the plant to be of medicinal use and that it wouldn’t be feasible to bioengineer a strain containing sufficient amounts. So this is hardly an advertisement for CBD oil for pain relief.

The researchers have applied for patents on their work and hope to score a commercial success.

It sounds like they’re a long way from developing a useful product and getting it through human clinical trials.

These caveats will probably not stop CBD oil enthusiasts and cannabis legalization advocates from proclaiming that the study proves cannabis products are a solution to the opioid mess.

My SiL was using it before her knee replacement surgery, and she said she could definitely feel the difference in pain level.

I know he’s banned, possibly because he missed Option 3: it doesn’t do anything. However, the Tylenol/ibuprofen mix works as well as Norco.

I know he’s banned, possibly because he missed Option 3: it doesn’t do anything. However, the Tylenol/ibuprofen mix works as well as Norco.

I take CBD oil every day for muscle pain.

I had an almost unbearable pain in my shoulder for years, probably stemming from a car accident when I was younger. I’m also very active- swim laps 3 times a week and lift weights for at least 8 hours every week, so I was always in some sort of low-level pain on top of that which also exacerbated it. But I’m in my early 30s, so it’s not exactly normal.

The shoulder pain got so bad that I had to see a physical therapist. She told me I might have fybromylagia, which I always assumed was a fake illness. She also said it could simply be stress and muscle overuse. Anyway, I went through 6 weeks of PT, where I learned some generally useful stretches, but which didn’t at all solve the problem.

Eventually, I tried CBD, even though I was skeptical of it. Let’s say I had… a lot of experience with pot back in the day, so I wasn’t expecting much in terms of pain relief. I have to say though, it does something. While my pain isn’t completely gone, it is nowhere near as severe as it used to be. I used to have to foam roll every single night, but now it’s only about 2 nights a week at most. There are some days where I don’t have any pain at all, which definitely wasn’t the case pre-CBD. I’ve even gained strength at the gym.

It’s been about 6 months of daily use, so I can’t really chalk it up to the placebo effect at this stage. And even if the placebo effect is what’s happening, I’m ok with that. About $50 bucks a months for a placebo effect that genuinely makes me feel better is fine by me.

I will say though, the CBD market is ridiculously underregulated, so you have to hunt for a brand that works and stick with it. Also, the full-spectrum stuff that has a small amount of THC in it works better. The THC amplifies the CBD effects. I’ve also found that when I’ve had a few beers on the weekend, it interects with the CBD oil and I feel a bit stoned. That’s a fun little bonus I guess.

*"(July 23d), the U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced that it has issued a warning letter to Curaleaf Inc., of Wakefield, Massachusetts, for illegally selling unapproved products containing cannabidiol (CBD) online with unsubstantiated claims that the products treat cancer, Alzheimer’s disease, opioid withdrawal, pain and pet anxiety, among other conditions or diseases.

“As we examine potential regulatory pathways for the lawful marketing of products containing cannabis and cannabis-derived compounds like CBD, protecting and promoting public health remains our top priority. Selling unapproved products with unsubstantiated therapeutic claims — such as claims that CBD products can treat serious diseases and conditions — can put patients and consumers at risk by leading them to put off important medical care. Additionally, there are many unanswered questions about the science, safety, effectiveness and quality of unapproved products containing CBD,” said Acting FDA Commissioner Ned Sharpless, M.D."*

http://fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-warns-company-marketing-unapproved-cannabidiol-products-unsubstantiated-claims-treat-cancer

Remember though that in a recent survey, three out of five Weimaraners said they felt less anxious when on CBD oil.