What the heck, how did you people know I’ve cosplayed adult stuff? __
Here is my cosplay folder with pics of me and friends. It is rather sparse because I don’t cosplay anymore and lost most of the pictures from my old costumes. I plan on cosplaying this weekend and of course for Halloween!
Evil Captor - Okay, first off, you gotta understand…there’s “hentai”, and there’s just-barely-enough-skin-to-get-the-garish-sticker-from-Blockbuster-without-actually-showing-anything-good. Nearly everything you mentioned falls into the latter quality. (Having watched Devil Hunter Yohko, I’d call anyone a colossal pervert who actually got off on that. Particularly since the possibility of intimate contact is interrupted every single freaking time.)
As for hentai cosplay…eh. You seen one unrealistically short skirt, you’ve pretty much seen 'em all. The whole point is to put on the costume, so what’s the big deal?
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Perhaps I’m way off base but I associate hentai with rape and general feminine degredation. So, why is it a good thing this is gaining popularity?
Marc
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There’s hentai and there’s hentai and there’s hentai. You got your nonstop rape hentai like the Shusaku/Isaku series, about an ugly old janitor who blackmails college girls into becoming his sex toys by videotaping them while they pee, which to my mind are a total waste of animator’s efforts, but which seem to be popular in Japan since there’s a whole series of them, and on the other hand you have relatively wholesome fare like Dragon Pink and Swallowtail Inn. None of it’s likely to make a feminist’s heart soar like an eagle – except maybe the yaoi. But the important thing to remember, nobody even has to simulate getting raped to make a hentai – they’re cartoons, y’see. Drawings. Ideas on paper. Or as Mrs. Evil Captor said, ‘No women were harmed in the production of this hentai.’
[QUOTE=DKW]
Evil Captor - Okay, first off, you gotta understand…there’s “hentai”, and there’s just-barely-enough-skin-to-get-the-garish-sticker-from-Blockbuster-without-actually-showing-anything-good. Nearly everything you mentioned falls into the latter quality. (Having watched Devil Hunter Yohko, I’d call anyone a colossal pervert who actually got off on that. Particularly since the possibility of intimate contact is interrupted every single freaking time.)
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I agree there’s a wide range of sexuality displayed in adult anime, and that DHY falls iinto the “very nearly not adult” end of the spectrum. But you’re making a mistake if you think all hentai that contain really XXX scenes of women having sex are just made to get people off. Wordsworth for example is over two hours long and full of plot. Bible Black and Necronomicon, the same. So judging hentai by the standards of American porn is just wrong.
The big deal is that you don’t see people wearing costumes based on adult films in the US – I suspect because there aren’t any! But the main thing is, wearing a costume based on a hentai invites discussion of the hentai, gets it out of the adult ghetto as it were. I like that. In American, we tend to like our erotica neatly confined to the point of ghettoizing it. I don’t like that.
[QUOTE=kimera]
What the heck, how did you people know I’ve cosplayed adult stuff? __
Here is my cosplay folder with pics of me and friends. It is rather sparse because I don’t cosplay anymore and lost most of the pictures from my old costumes. I plan on cosplaying this weekend and of course for Halloween!
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Nice. Is that the maid costume from G-Taste?
[QUOTE=Evil Captor]
But the important thing to remember, nobody even has to simulate getting raped to make a hentai – they’re cartoons, y’see. Drawings. Ideas on paper. Or as Mrs. Evil Captor said, ‘No women were harmed in the production of this hentai.’
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Thank you, Captor, for point out to me that no cartoons are actually raped during the course of hentai production. It really puts my mind at ease. I’m very happy that you and your wife have found a new outlet to explore your particular fetish and while I would never dream of making it illegal it doesn’t mean I’m going to have a positive view of hentai in general.
Marc
[QUOTE=MGibson]
Thank you, Captor, for point out to me that no cartoons are actually raped during the course of hentai production.
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What? You mean they’re faking it? Damn cartoons. 
[QUOTE=kimera]
What the heck, how did you people know I’ve cosplayed adult stuff? __
Here is my cosplay folder with pics of me and friends. It is rather sparse because I don’t cosplay anymore and lost most of the pictures from my old costumes. I plan on cosplaying this weekend and of course for Halloween!
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This is now the best thread ever!
Kimera, you have written with authority previously in cos-play threads.
and ever since I saw the first photo of you, you have been adult cosplaying in my head.
[QUOTE=kimera]
What the heck, how did you people know I’ve cosplayed adult stuff? __
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I know you’ve mentioned before at some point, and I know I’ve seen you in that maid costume before.
And, might I add: rawr.
Ditto. Also-Rawr.
Oh, and I wanted to add that although rape in H and Boy’s Love (porn for women featuring gay sex) is veeery common, it is not hard to find works from either genre that don’t feature rape/degradation. My female roomie loves H and hates the stuff that features rape or the woman being degradated. She has a pretty seizable collection and constantly trades games/comics/videos with others, so there has to be a sizable market for “normal” H stuff. And, what’s interesting about a good chunk of the males into rape/degradation H is that they like to view it while putting themselves in the woman’s position.
H/Boy’s Love in general contains a lot of “taboo” things and most of the people who view those works have no desire to actually do those things. Most of the fans of incest would be appalled at the idea of doing their relatives. It’s the naughtiness, the taboo, the possible emotions that appeal to them. I spent some time with the guy who drew the comic “Bondage Fairies” which features a lot of rape and degradation. He was one of the meekest, most polite men that I’ve ever met. He was married with a kids and a wife who helped him ink his comic. The comics were a safe way to explore his sexual side in whatever strange path it took him.
[QUOTE=MGibson]
Thank you, Captor, for point out to me that no cartoons are actually raped during the course of hentai production. It really puts my mind at ease. I’m very happy that you and your wife have found a new outlet to explore your particular fetish and while I would never dream of making it illegal it doesn’t mean I’m going to have a positive view of hentai in general.
Marc
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That’s OK, just be aware that they’re not all tentacle rape and stuff, just as all anime aren’t giant robots attacking innocent planets.
Bible Black cosplay image links are up:
http://www.hentairevue.com/hentaicosplay.html
Cut and paste per the usual.
[QUOTE=Evil Captor]
That’s OK, just be aware that they’re not all tentacle rape and stuff, just as all anime aren’t giant robots attacking innocent planets.
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Indeed, some animes are about giant robots attacking OTHER giant robots. 
Yeah, all sorts of hentai, all sorts of anime. What’s fun is the variation just in giant robot anime. SDF Macross, for example, is quite different from Mobile Suit Gundam, and both are very different from Big O (which is actually quite a bit like Batman, which almost entirely lacks giant robots).
My favorite giant robot anime is one of the bits in Robot Circus that has a coal-fired giant robot attacking Tokyo in 1899. The city is defended by another giant coal-fired robot, built from wood, rice paper, and ceramic tiles (the evil robot is built in western-style masonry). The whole thing is hillarious.
The question I have, and which is no doubt lurking in the minds of everyone reading this, and indeed, everyone everywhere in the world… is there giant robot hentai?
[QUOTE=JRDelirious]
I must say, I do not consider DHY or Qtey Honey “hentai”. Oh, there’s frequent boobs and naughtiness but it’s not porn.
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It’s not porn, but … it’s not one of the anime I’ll watch while my 15-year-old is in the room. It wouldn’t bother me to find out he’d seen it, particularly, but it’s naked enough, and in a sufficiently sexy way, to be all wrong for family viewing.
Whereas the brief nude scenes in, say, Dirty Pair or Tenchi Muyo are not so much of a problem.
Actually, I thought the sex scenes in Kite added considerably to the characterization and the plotting. Consider: Kite is a deadly female assassin on the one hand, a woman who uses her apparently waifishness to get close to her victims before killing them. Not a person to be fucked around with. Then we have that scene with the goon trussing up Kite and then using her like a sex toy while he and his boss (who is also Kite’s “lover”) talk biz. It really establishes how far down on the totem pole she is. She isn’t a respected or loved part of the team, she’s a tool to be used. And it establishes just what lowlifes Sawa’s “friends and lovers” are in a way that just shooting other goons does not.
Yeppers.
Yeah, when hentai heroines are not doing hentai-ish things, they often have some fairly cool costumes. I’m not sure why Bible Black is so popular, it’s hardly the most striking costume out there. Bizarre Cage and Viper GTS have some pretty cool costumes, so do quite a few others. Maybe I’ll post some pics. Also, a lot of hentai heroines are kickass types who kick demon ass when demon’s aren’t up to stuff with the heroine’s asses. That probably makes the character a little easier to identify with than some human doormat, which some hentai heroines most definitely are. Possibly it’s a matter of hentai being less well known, thus there being a very small number of people who’d have any idea who you think you’re dressing as, and those a generally unattractive bunch from the POV of a female cosplayer. Or maybe it’s cool to wear a really obscure costume if you’re a cosplayer. I really don’t know.
Your point about non-hentai outfits being capable of extreme sexiness if a good one. I remember hearing a costume designer point out at a DragonCon workshop that the Slavegirl Leia outfit is from a PG-rated movie, and the slavegirl Leias are generally some of the most naked attendees at any con.
I have seen just such a Sorcerer Hunter costume at Anime Weekend Atlanta. It was particularly striking because the flesh-toned leotard was a very good match for the wearer’s skin tone.
Aah, I still don’t buy this. I get a vibe that it’s at least partly, “Sure, I like anime, but at least I don’t go for that awful ecchi or hentai stuff.”
'Benign weird" is a pretty good description of the crowd at DragonCon. I think part of the attraction of DragonCon is that there ARE families there, with adults around to say, “Cut it out” if Johnny Hormones gets too rowdy. It’s a way for women and guys to safely be sexy. As you say, healthy mainstreaming of eros. Sure beats climbing into a dimly lit mosh pit with a bunch of proto rapists on drugs, as some women have been known to do while under the influence of who knows what ungodly combination of drugs and hormones. I have very little sympathy for parents having to explain to their daughters about “rad” outfits. Everybody has butts, there outta be some venues where they can be allowed to hang out that are not strip clubs.
[QUOTE=kimera]
He was one of the meekest, most polite men that I’ve ever met. He was married with kids and a wife who helped him ink his comic.
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Now that is a unique way of teaching your kids about sex.
[QUOTE=Evil Captor]
Yeah, when hentai heroines are not doing hentai-ish things, they often have some fairly cool costumes. I’m not sure why Bible Black is so popular, it’s hardly the most striking costume out there.
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My guess: maybe not the most striking, but quite characteristic/iconic, and a relatively easy look to achieve. At least it can be assembled from clothes that may be worn by actual people.
[Seinfeld]
*How come the Hentai Heroine first gets stripped, bound and gang-sodomized, then uses her powers to smite the demon? **What’s up with thaat? ** Not that there’s anything wrong with it… *
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Which is good… and as memory serves me, often quite bad 
That’s why I said “part”. But yes, that does happen – and in some cases, it’s sincere: porn is not exactly everyone’s cup of tea and for some people it does cause real distress. Others operate from fear that if you (the Generic You) associate with “them”, then when They come after “them”, They’ll also get you. (a.k.a. *“You’ll ruin it for all of us!” * feh…). And there’s just plain old squick: the imprint in each of our psyches of what is and isn’t proper to even acknowledge in polite company, specially in the erotic realm, is powerful and not easily overcome. What can I say, some people can sit trough 26 eps of Gnostic Christian conspiracy theory with Giant Robots, alcoholism, Jungian psychoanalysis and penguins thrown in, and then freak out when the boy hero wanks and they show the smear on his hand.
Do some people may get a kick out of baffling the audience as to WTH is it that they’re playing? Likely so – specially when the hall contains several score of badly done costumes of whoever is the lead in the latest hit game… of course my congoing is mostly in the past, and these days when I see an online gallery of current cosplayers I am like 
anyway. Damn, pop media fandoms have a way of driving home the inevitable slide into oldfartitude…
Y’know, that last scenario sounds like it could be a plot from some dreadful Japanese live-action porn vid…
Right after they are done explaining the Bad Cross-Dressing (Dad, why’s that old guy dressed like Sailormoon? :eek: ) …Y’know, maybe it’s the parents who need to be protected… as in prevent *MOM * from knowing that outfit is from a porno, lest she drag everyone out of the con
As the photo here will attest, some con attendees have figured out that wearing a Slave Leia costume constitutes a perfect excuse to run around half naked for four days and mack on cute guys.
http://www.hentairevue.com/hentaicosplayers/moreleias.jpg
Prolly safe for work, but that’s an awful lot of flesh…
[QUOTE=JRDelirious]
Right after they are done explaining the Bad Cross-Dressing (Dad, why’s that old guy dressed like Sailormoon? :eek: ) …Y’know, maybe it’s the parents who need to be protected… as in prevent *MOM * from knowing that outfit is from a porno, lest she drag everyone out of the con
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Hehe, I was working night security at A-Kon in Dallas a few years back, and one of the problems (aside from the fact that the vast majority of people who worked for Con Security at the time were morons and pretentious jerks), was that the hotel was not only hosting A-Kon, with all the cosplayers, Yaoi fans, t-shirt ninjas, annoying sign people, and generally weird people in general, but also had Normal People™ staying at the hotel.
At one point, a family came through the door, took their first look around the lobby, and the mother immediately reached behind her, grabed both kids, and pulled them close behind her. Then one of the hotel managers ran over to make sure the hotel guests didn’t run away thinking they were at the wrong place.
The next year, much to the amusement of me and various other Kevin Smith fans, some kid got caught in the escalator (he wasn’t hurt, but the sole of his shoe was firmly jammed in there and had to be cut off so he could get off of the escalator.)
[QUOTE=DKW]
Evil Captor - Okay, first off, you gotta understand…there’s “hentai”, and there’s just-barely-enough-skin-to-get-the-garish-sticker-from-Blockbuster-without-actually-showing-anything-good. Nearly everything you mentioned falls into the latter quality.
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Not really. Most of the ones I cited have hard core sex scenes, the kind that would get a XXX rating if they involved live actors. Here are the hentai I mentioned:
Bible Black – Explicit nude lesbian enema bondage not enough for you, or what? But I don’t really consider enemas to be sex, or sexy. There is the explicit hardcore sex scene, though.
La Blue Girl – Explicit tentacle rape out the wazoo. And in the wazoo. For any value of “wazoo” you’d care to name.
Kite – Extremely explicit sexual bondage scene. Extremely explicit sex scene. Parts are seen going into and out of parts. There’s the scene I cited earlier in this thread. It is EXTREMELY explicit.
Wordsworth – Well, I suppose if you don’t think explicit sex scenes with parts seen going into and out of parts involving bondage rape and pigmen is all that explicit, I suppose you don’t think Wordsworth is a hentai. But I have to wonder about your definition of “explicit.” (I’ll grant you, Wordsworth has tons of plot.)
Dragon Pink – Strangely enough, I’m not sure there are any explicit scenes of Dragon Pink and Santa getting it on. But there is an extremely graphic tentacle rape scene involving Dragon Pink. And an explicit scene in which Pia gets ‘energy’ from Bobo via a blowjob. And a scene where a tiny female fairy is bound and molested with a mushroom cap until she produces some “fairy juice.” (That one, IIRC, is pixilated.)
G-Taste – Explicit lesbian sex with a strap-on dildo. Ballgags.
Venus 5 – Explicit tentacles up the wazoo. Regulation rape. Explicitly molesting a talking cat.
Devil Hunter Yohko – OK, this one mostly just has lots of nudity. And that one R-rated vanilla sex scene in episode 1. Hardly anything by hentai standards.
and Cutey Honey – which I noted wasn’t really a hentai – just has nudity in the transform scenes, mostly, though there’s some tormenting of Cutey Honey while tied up and naked or nearly so, IIRC.
But really, where do you get “just barely enough to get a sticker at Blockbuster”? If Blockbuster knew what was in these hentai, they’d never get on the shelves with any kind of sticker, except for Devil Hunter Yohko and Cutey Honey.
I’ll grant you that all these hentai are kinda tame compared to some hentai, especially those which are just nonstop sex, mostly kinky sex at that. There’s no enemas that I recall, except for the one in Bible Black, but I don’t think Cartoon Network is gonnna be shwoing uncut versions of these babies anytime soon, even at 3 a.m. on Adult Swim.