Heroic sacrifices: who's got the stuff?

Google “Cersei walk of shame”. :slight_smile:

One was the only one who didn’t treat regeneration like it was death. It was a face-lift for him. Also, he couldn’t go on in his original, feeble form. Give him a 4 / MacGuyver.

Two went out kicking, screaming, crying, and carrying on. He gets a 0.

Three initially ran away from the confrontation that would (he knew) result in his ‘death’ (regeneration) but later returned to face that menace. I’d give him a 2 (Kaylee level.)

Four was pretty nervous of his regeneration - he knew it was coming, but looked pretty fearful of it in his last serial, but stoically marched onward towards “the moment.” (He’s a 6 - Spock.)

Five was the best ‘death’ of any Doctor. He gave up his life, and wasn’t entirely sure that he would regenerate, not to save the entire universe but to save one single person (his companion Peri) – and he did have the option of saving himself. He’s a 7 (Buffy.)

Six was a craven, Dr. Smith-level cowardly, buffoonish, jackass. He ‘died’ by falling off a stationary bicycle. Everything about him was pathetic. 0 / Dr. Smith.

Seven put up a bit of a panicky fight when doctors tried to operate on him to save him from a bullet wound. Self-interested, but understandable. He gets a 3 / Jayne.

Eight willingly drank a potion provided by the Sisterhood of Karn for ‘the greater good’ (although technically he was already dead). He gets Spock level 6.

Nine, like five, could have run away but didn’t. He also gave up his life for a single person he cared about - Rose. Although, unlike Five, he was fairly certain that he would regenerate. (5.)

Steve Rogers, who can do this all day, kept volunteering to risk his life in a military that kept turning him down; he eventually got the chance to throw himself on a grenade to save the lives of folks who bullied him, which earned him the chance to risk his life in an experiment that – well, made him able to parachute behind enemy lines to liberate POWs; but also put him in the right place at the right time to take a plane down with him before it could take out the Eastern Seaboard.

The hammer’s not worthy to lift him, is what I’m saying.

My assertion was schmuck bait. O know about that scene, was was far fromsexy, and anyway it was a body double.

And seriously, dude, bloody feet by the end of it.

, Dawn & I

Spike gets a 6 in my book. I think his thought process was “Either Buffy and I die, or only I die.” Still noble and all, but not the very highest level.

(He wouldn’t have cared about the rest of the group dying, except maybe Dawn.)

I will watch GoT when I am assured that Lena headey appears naked, and not before.

Actually I have watched a couple of episodes. I was bored, so I stopped. See also: THE WIRE. :slight_smile:

I left Aslan out on purpose. He’s far, far less human than even the Doctor. He may understand humans, but humans can’t really understand him.

That said, I’ll ignore my last sentence and say Aslan gets no stuff points whatsoever for letting the White Witch execute him. He was dead less than a day; he KNEW e would be dead less than a day; and he manipulated the situation for just that end. He suffered some pain, maybe, but ultimately he was no more brave than Superman is for walking into a firefight (which is exactly as brave as I am for walking into a volley of soap bubbles.)

He was a real person in a fictional movie, so I don’t know if it counts in this thread, but Benjamin Guggenheim in Titanic. A good solid 6 or maybe 7 - “We are dressed in our best and are prepared to go down as gentlemen.”

Where does Boromir rank? He willingly enters a battle against overwhelming odds; his chance of survival is very low; but he blows the horn, hoping for aid. 4? 5?

I love Boromir, but I can only give him a five. He went into a very risky situation, but it wasn’t certain death. If Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas had arrived a little arlier, he might well have survived. I thin he would probably have done hte same thing if he had known no help would arrive in time, but to get a 6 or 7 you have to not only die, but walk in knowing you’re going to die.

Incidentally I contest the notion that all comic book heroes get the hightest rating. Batman probably doesn’t. He always has a clever plan in the back of his head. The post-Crisis Superman gets a 7, surely, for the doomsday encounter. But, say, when Green Arrow died, it wasn’t because he was trying to save anyone; it was because he didn’t want to lose his arm. Lots of heroes have died in encounters after having survived many previous similar ones; so while they ay well have had the highest amount of Stuff, they didn’t get to prove it.

Never watched allof Titanic. Did Guggenheim explicitly give up his place on a lifeboat so that somebody else could have it? If so, that’s a 7. If he rather saw that there was no place for him and chose to die with dignity, he doesn’t get the very highest rating, to my mind, because 6s and 7s have to prove they have hte stuff–by dying, by knowing death would be the result of their actions, and by having a choice.

D-Day from Animal House?

There was a space for him, but he refused as a gentleman would never take a place that could be given to a woman or a child. I’d give him a seven. The only mitigating factor was that he was aboard the ship with his mistress, and might have chosen death rather than having to explain to his wife who that woman was.

Specifically designed. D-Day put a lot of work into that Lincoln. The fact that nobody in the car looked the least bit concerned when they started the ramming run makes me sure it was a planned attack.

Did he survive?

Of course. Currently “Whereabouts Unknown.”

Wow, we got this far down without mention of Harry Potter? An absolute 8, he learned that in order for Voldemort to be destroyed, he had to allow himself to be killed, and he walked right into it. Give an 8 to James and Lily Potter as well, who did the same thing, except that they didn’t return from death (or near-death, whatever state Harry was in in the penultimate chapter of Deathly Hallows) afterward.

You don’t get the top rating for returning from the dead. You get the top rating for knowingly doing something that will surely kill you, in order to protect others. Buffy ^ Spock got the top ratings DESPITE being resurrected later because neither had any reason to expect death to be anything other than the final emperor. Aslan doesn’t get the top rating because he was essentially just taking a nap.

Doyle, from ANGEL season 1, gets the top rating. Died to keep Angel alive, without hope of resurrection, an din fact was never resurrected. I’m tempted to give him a bonus because he would probably have predicted ahead of time that he wouldn’t be able to do it.

Riker gets a 5 for starting to give the order for the collision course against the Borg cube near Earth.

Obi-Wan Kenobi gets a 6 with an asterisk – he allowed himself to be killed by Vader so that Luke wouldn’t wait around trying to save him, but he also knew that it wasn’t actual permanent death.

Sam Gamgee gets a 5, I think, for facing Shelob alone.

Yep. That was much more impresive than Aragorn wading into a mob of Uruk-Hai to buy Frodo time to rabbit, because Aragorn had plenty of reasonto think his odds of surviving were at least 50-50, whereas Sam had to be thinking, This proably ends with me as spider-food, but I’d rater be digested by Shelob than walk away without Mr. Frodo."