Nancy Reagan died in 1989.
Wouldn’t it be the opposite for opiates? Constricted pupils?
I’ll bet you loved Reefer Madness, but moving past that, let’s keep in mind, I’m quite sure, there’s plenty of things you do that aren’t 100% exactly perfect and by you’re own definition, the next time you’re roll through a stop sign or take that second Vicodin 3.5 hours later instead of 4, just remember what you said here.
And who decides what’s moral, you?
Oddly enough, the autopsy report said she had likely been a light user of both cocaine and marijuana for most of her adult life.
i’m always happy to learn new information and reevaluate my position, but i’m unclear as to what you think needs evaluating. i grew up around addicts; my mother was a substance abuse counselor for 30 yrs. i worked in a methadone clinic as a teenager. while i just learned of mr hari in this thread (see the post 6 above yours) i’ve been a long time opponent of the war on drugs and have long thought that the better solution was the one portugal adopted. my position is that addicts are the same as you and i, that they are from all walks of life, in all types of jobs, that each has their own personal road to addiction; there is no one story. that theyre only criminals because we’ve decided to treat them that way. and that society is not threatened by admitting that we have a societal problem and not a legal or moral one.
and i’m too lazy to hit the shift key!
mc
Slight hijack, but IIRC this was actually a plot point in a Batman story; our hero stops to note that plenty of folks can’t hold down a nine-to-five job during the week and only ever shoot up on the weekends, but it (a) has been known to happen and it (b) would explain pretty much everything about the woman in question. This winds up being the key to finding a kidnapper’s victim before it’s too late.
At the time, it struck me as odd for a writer to build a comic around that factoid.
Can you explain how such is determined?
Do you have a cite for this?
Isn’t that the drug that comes packaged with the antagonist because you need to get it immediately if you accidentally get injected with it?
'twas a joke. I’m pretty sure Kayaker also doesn’t have a cite for her dying in 1989.
Well, she didn’t spend much time in the public eye after 89. (yeah, I fucked up)
No, I don’t, and never have loved marijuana.
Also, I just looked up what Vicodin is, and there are two uses for it: one as a illegal narcotic drug and painkiller, the other as a legal prescription medication. If the Vicodin the driver in your hypothetical is taking is perfectly, validly licensed by a medical doctor because of the driver’s medical needs, there is nothing morally or legally wrong with him taking it, provided he doesn’t overdose on it when driving, or exceed the limit of Vicodin allowed in his system when driving.
Societal standards and the law decide what is moral. We are a nation of laws for a good reason; we are also a civilized society. Murder and the sale and manufacturing of illegal drugs is never, ever justified, no matter how bad of a sob story the person might try to cook up. There are a lot of people who are down on the luck and not doing well financially who don’t use heroin illegally to get by.
As such, I don’t see why some preppy, rich heroin addict should be held to a different standard than the rest of us.
You put my two hypotheticals together. I was suggesting that perhaps moral absolutism isn’t always the correct path. IOW, by your standards, someone shoving $80 worth of smack into their arm each day is no different than someone taking an extra Vicodin. Both illegal, therefore it’s not normal, we shouldn’t rationalize it and it’ll lead to violent mood swings and murder. This was basically what Reefer Madness was about. All black and white, no middle ground,
As for the stop sign thing, again that was just a play on your moral absolutism thing. Next time you roll through a stop sign, just remember what you said here. It’s illegal and you shouldn’t rationalize it, you should be punished for it.
But, then trying to talk about drugs, drug laws and more importantly, how people act while under the influence of drugs isn’t really possible with someone that’s never heard of Vicodin (unless you simply know it by a different name). It’s like talking about rolling through a stop sign with someone that’s never been in a car before. Sure, you can discuss the facts and data, but until you’ve been behind the wheel, in traffic, it’s hard to tell someone why a driver might not come to a complete stop every single time.
TLDR, I’m sure you break the law, and rationalize it, too. We all do.
Alright. I understand where you’re coming from.
But I do believe that while some crimes are more heinous than others, they are all similar in the fact that they are illegal and not excusable. We shouldn’t pretend that someone who shoves heroin poison into their arm each day, $80 worth, is someone better than the lowlife who stands on a street corner selling those drugs to impressionable schoolkids. The person who buys the $80 worth of drugs is profiting from that lowlife’s nefarious enterprise, and as such should be considered a part of the problem.
Obviously, running a stop sign is different from illegally selling and using drugs, although I’ve prided myself on never running one, although I got really close one time when the light was on yellow. The fact of the matter is that it doesn’t make running a stop sign right.
If I gave the impression with my moral absolutism policy that heroin addicts should be treated without compassion and shouldn’t try to be helped by others, that was not my impression. However, they should not be coddled either; tough love can work wonders with troubled family members.
So you don’t believe a law can be unjust or immoral?
If you believe a law is unjust, immoral or excessive, that’s what we have elected officials for in our nation. You can mount a campaign to your state legislator as an effort to get it changed.
Yep! Gotta love it when someone is being a know-it-all and what they say isn’t just imprecise, it’s the complete and total opposite of correct.
Yep. I mean— uh, I don’t know. Why would I know?
That’s not what I asked you. Do you believe a law can be immoral or unjust?
I used to know quite a few heroin addicts but after some funerals the number is much smaller.
None were rich. Most live/lived in the rural US Midwest. Their lives aren’t / weren’t very out of the ordinary. One even had a phobia of needles. Turns out you can smoke heroin. I had no idea until after the funeral. I even talked to one person about how their ex died of an overdose only to have them die of an overdose months later.
Heroin is out there. It’s cheap, easy to get, and great for the funeral industry.
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While you can always use clean needles, your heroin is NEVER going to be reliable.
No part of the manufacture, transport, or selling is regulated. You never have any idea of what you are actually injecting.
And China has been selling Carfentanyl to anyone with money for several years now.