[QUOTE=magellan01]
I’m all for someone standing up for his wife, but the way he did it, with a vague, empty threat, makes him look like an idiot. Obviously, YMV.
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At any rate, it does not make him look like a “pompous ass” nor a self-deluded “demigod.”
[QUOTE=Liberal]
I was going to leave the matter alone, but you seem to be saying that all you did was bold some things I said. You in fact added things that I didn’t say. Your apology would be more meaningful if you apologized for what you actually did.
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Wow. I’m really surprised. But, okay. I really do apologize for leaving your name as the author as I went in and changed the content of what you wrote. I should not have done that. I thought that by bolding those portions and then explaining that I had bolded those portions—in the same post—I would have removed any possible confusion as to what you had originally said and what I had altered it to. Still, the error was all mine and I do apologize. It was not my intent to mislead anyone. I hope you see that.
That said, I also hope you see that I improved what you had written more than a little. 
[QUOTE=magellan01]
Wow. I’m really surprised. But, okay. I really do apologize for leaving your name as the author as I went in and changed the content of what you wrote. I should not have done that. I thought that by bolding those portions and then explaining that I had bolded those portions—in the same post—I would have removed any possible confusion as to what you had originally said and what I had altered it to. Still, the error was all mine and I do apologize. It was not my intent to mislead anyone. I hope you see that.
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No problem.
But your being the board’s best writer gives you an unfair advantage. You need to allow us to make our mistakes so we can learn.
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton]
At any rate, it does not make him look like a “pompous ass” nor a self-deluded “demigod.”
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How about “a tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood”?
[QUOTE=Pochacco]
How about “a tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood”?
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I’m sorry- I thought we were discussing Obama, here… not Bush.
[QUOTE=Pochacco]
How about “a tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood”?
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Still no. But it does make him look like a Denebian slime devil. (Talk trash about one of their wives and it’s major league slime-time!)
Clearly, Obama isn’t ready for slime time.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Refresh my memory-when was that and who did it involve?
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I believe this is a reference to the fact that John Sidney McCain, a member of the Republilcan party, has publically called his own ex-wife a cunt.
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting]
I believe this is a reference to the fact that John Sidney McCain, a member of the Republilcan party, has publically called his own ex-wife a cunt.
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fact => assertion
I’m a huge Obama supporter, and I agree that:
(a) as long as a family member has injected him/herself into the public dialog, he/she is fair game for criticism and commentary
and
(b) Obama’s comments were a bit silly
That said, magellan01 is, of course, blowing this issue WAY WAY WAY out of proportion.
When it comes to remarks such as Michelle O’s “first time I’ve been proud” or Barack O’s calling a female reporter “sweetie”, I think the thing to do is to ask whether that’s part of a pattern. Do we have reason to believe that Barack O is sexist? Have there been repeated reports of it, and repeated other “gaffes” in which he condescended towards women? If so, we might want to take the “sweetie” remark as something worth worrying about. Similarly, is there any evidence that Michelle Obama is unpatriotic, isn’t proud of America, doesn’t love her country, etc? If not, then it’s dirty and dishonest to make hay out of a badly phrased remark.
And if John McCain makes a similar type of misstatement, I’ll stick to this (admittedly vague and subjective) standard.
[QUOTE=LilShieste]
fact => assertion
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I’ll rephrase (although I was only answering the question I quoted):
5-4-Fighting: "I believe this is a reference to the fact that it has been reported widely that John Sidney McCain, a member of the Republilcan party, has publically called his own ex-wife a cunt.
Back to our regularly scheduled rant. Although it’s tacky and quite thin stuff, Michelle’s public comments in relation to the Obama campaign is fair game.
At to what was implied by the "shut her yap(per) and “on a tight leash” comments, not so much.
[QUOTE=Liberal]
But your being the board’s best writer gives you an unfair advantage. You need to allow us to make our mistakes so we can learn.
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Dude, you’re cracking me up lately.
[QUOTE=MaxTheVool]
That said, magellan01 is, of course, blowing this issue WAY WAY WAY out of proportion.
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You’d better get used to that, 'cause it’s gonna happen again and again until November, and not just with magellan01. Remember the RW dumbassery about Rev. Wright?
[QUOTE=magellan01]
I’m all for someone standing up for his wife, but the way he did it, with a vague, empty threat, makes him look like an idiot. Obviously, YMV.
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[QUOTE=Cheesesteak]
What he’s not going to do is launch a pathetic smear campaign that latches onto a single statement to “prove” someone isn’t patriotic enough to be the wife of the president.
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I think what he’s saying is, “I will be happy to leave Cindy McCain’s heretofore-undisclosed taxes off the table as an issue. I would hope your side would have the decency not to question my wife’s patriotism.” He and McCain have both promised a respectful and clean campaign, but each has quite a bit of latitude in how much they will / won’t rein in their surrogates (and some more latitude in how much they can). McCain has shown serious class in how he has stomped on surrogates who got out of line, and Obama has fired staffers for impolitic remarks, so this is Obama asking McCain to exert a little pressure on his behalf.
The other half of the threat is more direct: Obama implies that the TN GOP does not want attract the attention of the Obama campaign unless they think they can beat him. Given that even Ted Stevens (R-Alaska, since dinosaurs roamed the earth) is looking like a shaky bet, I think the “threat” is simply that Obama could dedicate a marginal amount of extra time and money to campaigning in Tennessee, and add his considerable heft to every down-ticket race in the area. The ad about his wife was funded by that State’s GOP, so if he comes to town and decides to throw his weight behind a local who’s trailing by 5 points or so… well, he is probably the bigger dog, and GWB isn’t exactly packing them in the auditoriums these days.
Come on, this was a master stroke.
First of all, the girly-man meme is getting around, and nothing looks manlier than standing up for your wife.
Second of all, he poisoned that particular well. “Oooh, look at the big bad Republicans, so tough that they’re attacking me by going after my wife.”
Never mind that she’s a part of the campaign and her comments are fair game. Never mind that the whole machismo thing is really silly, and that she’s able to defend herself just fine. This was a good move, especially in a state like Tennessee.
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting]
I believe this is a reference to the fact that John Sidney McCain, a member of the Republilcan party, has publically called his own ex-wife a cunt.
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Almost. He called his current wife the c-word.
[QUOTE=magellan01]
That’s the fucking point, genius! That’s why he looks like an ass. He uses the language of a threat to stop them from saying shit when he can’t do shit about it. Why? Because it’s protected speech. I never criticized him for not being able to express a particular view, just that the view he expressed was assholish, dumb, and ignorant. You know, much like yours.
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Just because it’s protected speech doesn’t mean he can’t do anything about it. He just can’t use the legal system to do anything about it. I’m sure he’s capable of lashing out at them with negative campaigns of his own, or bring his political weight to bear against them when/if he becomes president.
He’s not exactly powerless, you know. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean “you can’t do anything to me, even though I’m being a complete asshole.”
Wait a minute! Exactly what are you asking for here? Explain yourself, mister!
[QUOTE=DoctorJ]
This was a good move, especially in a state like Tennessee.
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“Mistah McCayun, suh… youah camPAIGN has caused me no end of dishonah bah insulting mah WAHF. You, suh, ah a GENNLEMUN, an’ we muss resolve this lahk GENNLEMUN. Pistols, ah sed, ah sed, PISTOLS, at dawn, suh.”
[QUOTE=Frostillicus]
Almost. He called his current wife the c-word.
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From here (don’t know anything about this blog, but this is the same story I’ve seen elsewhere):