HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER question: What was the Stranger? (And other Eastwood western topics.)

You mean at the very beginning? Why does that bother you?

Maybe because I have kids and they didn’t properly explore the desperation that would justify his leaving. Took me out of the movie. It’s a good movie and that’s about it.

I liked Unforgiven when it came out. There hadn’t been many good, intelligent Westerns in a long time (and I say that mindful of Pale Rider and Silverado). But still, going back 30 years earlier than Unforgiven, Brando’s One-Eyed Jacks had already covered a lot of the same ground, and better IMHO.

People who don’t get Unforgiven IMHO are people who have not had to struggle with the violence inherent within themselves.

It is a tale of struggle with inner demons. It is a tale of the unfairness of life’s choices. It is a tale of raw justice. It is a tale of the reality of power vs the myth of power. It is a tale of redemption.

Unforgiven is the best Western ever made.

This. I also agree With Slithy that One Eyed Jacks is better.

I also like * Quigley Down Under* and Open Range.

No, it is not. And I didnt struggle at all in writing that.

and the better line to live by (or die by), “deserves got nuthin’ to do with it”

Or even better " we all got it coming"

Yes, It has some great words but it is equally as good are the visuals. Munny staring into the distance and sipping the whisky as the story of Ned’s death is recounted to him. The hair-trigger look given to Beauchamp when he unwittingly criticises Little Bill’s carpentry. The encounter on the porch between English Bob and Little Bill. I think it takes a great director to enhance character in that way.

It was very clear to me on first viewing that Munny and his family were close to starving, and that his prime (if not only) motive for accompanying Ned and the Bullshit Kid was to take care of his children financially.

You forgot Lee Van Cleef!

They should have done a better job highlighting that IMHO. Good movie, not great.