It was never my impression that either the goal or the outcome was trust and faith in government; rather, tthe goal was to make the citizenry distrust their own ability to discern and understand reality, to the point that submission was easier than intellectual self-reliance, when it came to getting through the day.
Huh. All this time, I thought the point of Nineteen Eighty-Four was “Be yourself.”
Aye.
OK, I concede that I see now what Clinton was trying to say (and couldn’t have botched it worse). But as Velocity pointed out Clinton comes to a thoroughly pre-poisoned well. It hardly helps that she AND Obama before her have come across like missionaries tactlessly denigrating a tribespeoples’ gods and lecturing them on how wrong and evil they are and to abandon the ways of their forefathers. Even if it’s true, that’s not going to win many converts.
I will wholly agree that Clinton has made little to no effort to win ‘converts’ - and in fact the entire liberal side seems to have largely given up making an active effort to do so. The general line of thinking seems to be that if a person hasn’t seen reason by now, they’re unlikely to do so, for one reason or another. That and the fact it’s a little hard to find a middle ground with a group of people who seem to think the middle ground should be razed flat and salted.
But we’re still OK with partying like it’s 1999, right?
Yeah…they want to live in a binary world. Black/white, male/female, right/wrong. They make no allowance for the gray areas and nuance the world holds.
So it is more like a world where everyone has four fingers then you show up and hold up five fingers. They cannot process it for some reason. They know people only have four fingers and simply will not allow for a five fingered man…even if he’s standing right in front of them showing five fingers.
You’re not familiar with Stalin’s Russia. Yes, some (few, mostly intellectuals) were discontent. Most were enthusiastic in their support of the Soviet government and worshipful when it came to the leaders.
Well, if they didn’t like the great experiment, they weren’t going to spoil it for everybody else by complaining.
Exactly my take on it.
Trump is more of a Cuffy Meigs than an O’Brien.
A part of my cynically wonders if the timing of this book project is a stunt by Hillary to destroy the left, assuming that she feels a sense of betrayal. Let’s face it: at a time when the progressives have the conservatives taking a standing 8-count, there couldn’t be a worse time for Hillary to come to the ringside to distract everyone.
Well, she did shag Martin Heidegger.
Now, now. I may just have meant he was the fucker of old goats. So: [old goat] fucker rather than old [goat fucker]. And you can’t prove otherwise! 
Shodan is Gisele Bundchen?
May I say I find much to agree with in Buck Godot’s and Whack-a-Mole’s most recent posts as of this reading. A large part of the people are heavily invested in what they see as Received Truths and will not trust any expert or even any actual hard evidence that challenges then, but will welcome a slick charlatan who’ll claim that his bullshit flows from that received truth (even if entirely unrelated).
“But, sir, look, there ARE five…” “SHUT UP, there’s four, the other one doesn’t count, some Liberal bastard put it there, says right here on Breitbart.”
So maybe she’s joining Trump in taking the position of “it’s all about ME”, and don’t anyone dare and move on until she’s good and ready to let you?
Fuck, that’s a depressing thought.
Nothing so devious.
It’s meant to keep her decaying political corpse viable until other 2020 candidates flame out, at which time she can ride her [del]broom[/del] campaign bus to the rescue, unless the Democratic Party has the sense to drive a metaphorical stake through her heart.
Trouble is, any goat over the age of consent is an old goat.
No, can’t be - Gisele has fashion sense.
Regards,
Shodan
Charming.
Anyway, I think she’s got the message her day is done, and will morosely endorse whomever is selected ( if he or she is Right-Centrist ). But as to the book, whatever her large intelligence — which as much as with most professional politicians is real, and again with each of them is exaggerated by each’s followers — she is not very bright, and I can well believe that’s her takeaway from Orwell.
In the 2016 election they had a choice between Sheldon Cooper, self-righteous, conceited and smugly boring, and Cartman from South Park, a truly awful little horror. The only sane choice was to reject Shelly.
I think Hillary has to know it’s really and truly over now, and if she doesn’t, then other members of the Democratic party, or whatever’s left of it in 2020, will tell her pretty bluntly, I would imagine.
I think the book tour is really her way of processing what happened. She still seems to possess the same lack of self-awareness, so I wouldn’t call this a reckoning; it’s just a personal psychological catharsis. And I’m guessing the book advances and royalties from sales won’t hurt either.