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Why is everyone ganging up on poor Lord Ashtar? Not that anyone asked, but I happen to agree with Lord, 100 percent. I believe that Lord has been factually correct in everything that they have said so far. I also think that Elvis’ argument holds no water whatsoever, and they are grasping for some minimal amount of face-saving exit.
Splitting hairs: Redistribution Of Wealth vs. Lack Of Private Property. Meh. Same difference. One is the vehicle, and the other is the engine that powers the vehicle.
You don’t get it either. The question was the level of popular support for a universal health care program. LA tried to refute it with essentially namecalling instead of fact, and now you’re trying the same simple dismissal but with less namecalling. Neither is, unfortunately, an actual argument.
Yeah, right. So you DO think that the Roman Empire was socialist. Thanks for making that clear.
Well, let it be told to you from someone from a country half of which actually WAS socialist for practically half a century:
If you think Hillary Clinton is a leftist, you haven’t seen “left” yet.
All this talk about whether or not Hillary Clinton is a centralist merely reaffirms my theory that the Clintons were a pair of moderates who got tarred by the Republican Smear Machine™ as radical lefties. Chicago Faucet’s latest post demonstrates that the bullshit sticks around even when the facts are evident.
If that’s the case, then can you give me an example of someone who is a leftist and what it was that made them a leftist?
Well, up until around 97, Tony Blair had some tendencies that you’d describe as “hard left.”
Sadly, he’s since turned into a poodle.
Her popularity? Well, to me it’s that cute little curvy shape of hers with those wide hips and little heart shaped face. I’m not all that fond of her politics, and she’s a few years older than I am, but I do want some of that. Yes I do!
What Mr.Blair actually did in 1995 was to remove the clause of Labour’s constitution calling for ownership of the means of production. Didn’t mean much in practical terms but was very symbolic for Labour members (I was one at the time).
I find it immensely amusing when polls say “75% of Americans think Tony Blair would be a good President”. Yeah right! Pro gun-control, pro-nationalised Health Service, married to a Catholic yet still pro-choice - he’d go down great in the Midwest. He probably couldn’t get to be junior senator for Vermont for God’s sake.
Oh, and redistribution of wealth does NOT equate with banning Private Property. Here in the UK - and in most other industrialised countries - we have both, and even the most radical lefties don’t want to remove the latter. You can own all the private property you want - a house, a car, a printworks, pretty much anything, either individually or through shares in companies - the redistribution comes in when you make money from these things, the government takes a percentage and gives it to poor people through benefits, infrastructure etc. Faucet, you’re confusing Social Democracy with Totalitarian Communism.
I plead Brain Death. -Sorry about that, knew he was a bit of a lefty and misread the article.