If voters felt their votes weren’t going to count, they wouldn’t have voted in record numbers in Florida but they did.
As for whether or not they ‘count’ they, of course, don’t ever technically count anyway in determining the nominee but it’ll be taken into account by the superdelegates, IMO, who understand FL is needed to win the general. (Especially since they’re not being allowed a re-vote to say “sorry, we told you wouldn’t count and you voted anyway and so we say again: you don’t count!” is not going to fly.)
On the contrary, she DID play that ticket, and only hours after the sniper story popped. For days ahead of that, she was mum on the matter until she needed it, that is. That’s part of the reason I think it’s not over, there’s one more card in the hat band, I’m sure of it.
Speaking of which, did we ever determine for sure what that damaging information was that Novak telegraphed a few months ago? Was it supposed to be Wright?
Yes, Clintons are survivors, and I believe she will survive just fine in the Senate. One thing the Clinton’s did not factor into their plan was Obama being so unbelievably organized, well liked, and able to weather a storm. Further they were not counting on him being as resiliant a fighter as he is. Obama is standing up to the Clintons and you know what…he’s winning. Shown perfectly well this morning with a HUGE endorsement by Bob Casey - in case you don’t know, he’s known as being the blue collar senator from PA. Clinton has been courting him for months. He said this morning that he was going to wait until after April 22nd to decide who to endorse, but he came out early and endorsed Obama so hopefully more supers would do the same, and to show the PA public that Obama was the man who was best qualified for the job.
This is not an endorsement from a piddly state legislator, and this endorsement is not to be underestimated by any stretch of the imagination.
True, she was mum until she was asked what she’d have done.
The Wright thing broke the weeks **before **that and beyond. She and her campaign said NOTHING about it, repeatedly doing their ‘no comment’ (except for Lanny Davis who said at the time that he took Obama’s word for whatever happened) and then Obama gave his speech.
Between the time that story broke and the time he made the speech, HRC said zip.
After he gave the speech, she praised him on having addressed the issue and said she hadn’t heard it yet.
Now, after all that, she was asked what she would have done she said she would’ve left and wouldn’t have had him as a pastor.
That seems more than fair to me. What Obama said about comparing his grandmother to Wright, his ‘typical white person’ remark, etc. will now get looked at, analyzed, and YES critiqued. I believe that’s what’s supposed to happen.
Cute timing on that, just as the mass media was starting to pick up the Bosnia sniper lie. She needed something to deflect attention from her lie so she threw Rev. Wright under the bus, after having taken the high road herself for weeks.
And you know, the fact that the interview was with the Mellon Scaife-owned paper in Pittsburgh does nothing more than make her stink even more. How she could sit down with the man who financed almost every single media attack on her and her husband, who floated the lie that she murdered Vince Foster, who floated the lie that Paula Jones was solicited by Bill Clinton, who floated the lie that the Clintons were smuggling drugs into the country in Mena, AR, and had killed people who’d found out about it…the man who bankrolled the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy she complained about in the 90s…to actually sit down with that man (and there are photos from her visit to the Tribune-Review building this past week) and offer Obama, her fellow Democrat, up to him, almost literally throwing him to the wolves…that’s something I would never be able to do. I wouldn’t even have given that paper the time of day, let alone sat for an interview, and certainly not with the man himself in the room (or the building, for that matter).
Teresa Heinz-Kerry, in 2004, wouldn’t even give the Tribune-Review an interview because of Mellon Scaife. Clinton practically got into bed with him. Ugh.
My prediction is that Obama’s going to close the gap to single digits. I doubt he’ll actually win a majority, but I do think he’s going to let the wind out of her sails. If she wins by less than 10%, it’s not a victory because the delegate proportionality is going to make the relative delegate numbers just as they were before PA.
Obama might pull it off. I bet if Hillary does she’ll simply ride it until the end, she may do that anyway - but after PA she’s in for a trouncing, and she knows it. So any win on her part in PA will be insignificant after. That’s just basic math. This endorsement by Casey will all but guarantee a very close race.
Trouncing? Really? I think she wins every state but NC from here on out with a close one in Indiana within single digits. The way I see it Obama’s winning streak is over.
What do you think it would take in PA for HRC to put Obama in real trouble (not mathematically preclude his nomination by delegates, I don’t think either one can do that to the other at this point) in terms of expectations, the media, etc.? 20-30?
Funny, she’s attacked for talking to an attacker. LOL
That just increases her credibility in my eyes as the real candidate that can reach ALL THE WAY across the aisle and beyond. What happened to bipartisanship and talking to the other side? I thought that’s what the Obama folks were all about and HRC is “too divisive” and only “hollers at Republicans”?
Funny, it seems to me the Obama folks always want everything both ways. Either she’s a partisan who would never be seen dead or alive with Scaife or she isn’t.
She can work/talk with anyone and she’s proved it in the Senate time and again.
I don’t know how Obama can do well in PA. His approach there so far hasn’t been calculated to appeal to union voters, traditional voters, elderly voters, and he runs far behind Clinton with white voters in general.
He runs very well with black voters, young voters, and liberals - all of whom are relatively scarce in Pennsylvania, even within the Democratic Party.
He could win at most three counties by my guess, out of 67.
I don’t know if she’d withdraw if he squeaked ahead, but I think there’s no doubt if he were to trounce her in PA by double digits, it would be hard to see how she could stay in at that point. Won’t happen though.
I wonder where you are getting your information from? Are we reading the same newspapers or online sources? How do you see Clinton doing well in every state other than NC? I apologize if I am being obtuse but Clinton isn’t exactly doing well in the polls and math here. Unless my hours of online political reading has missed something.
You do understand what she needs to win right now right? And it’s basically a miracle.
It’s amazing how many willing dupes are more than ready to play along with Hillary’s delusion. She was hit really hard today with the Casey endorsement. Let’s hope Casey’s endorsement carries some weight in PA. We need some Supers to do the responsible thing and declare for Obama now, so we can end this charade sooner rather than later. Show Clinton that dragging this out further is only going to be bad for everyone, but worse for her. She is shredding her own credibility at an amazing rate.
I’d never say you’re dense! You know you’re real cool with me; I’m getting my information from the “outside” like CNN, etc. I know you mentioned you know some of the superdelegates (most of which are women, by the way) so maybe I’m the one that’s being dense but from where I sit, she’s doing better in the PA polls than he is and the remaining states but for NC favor her demographically. The day to day polls of ‘high negatives’ and ‘likeability’ etc. I don’t put much stock in I think that’s just the narrative the media is creating to fill the time.
Bottom line is, when it comes time to vote in the big states she has always won.
I think that trend will continue, especially now that he’s got negatives HE DIDN’T HAVE before when she was winning the big states anyway (by popular vote).
By the way, he needs a miracle to win too. Neither can win on pledged delegates.
It was always going to come down to the supers, and this talk of shutting the game down early is, IMO, much ado about nothing. I don’t think the supers are going to all swing to her at the convention.
I think something else may happen, something unexpected, maybe the dream ticket after all, maybe Gore. Who the hell knows! LOL
CNN is clearly in favor of Clinton for some odd reason. It was funny when she saw CNNs favoritism of her in debates, always letting her lead, was some sort of being singled out unfairly.
You know you’re real cool with me; I’m getting my information from the “outside” like CNN, etc. I know you mentioned you know some of the superdelegates (most of which are women, by the way) so maybe I’m the one that’s being dense but from where I sit, she’s doing better in the PA polls than he is and the remaining states but for NC favor her demographically. The day to day polls of ‘high negatives’ and ‘likeability’ etc. I don’t put much stock in I think that’s just the narrative the media is creating to fill the time.