At this point it’s clear that the democratic nomination will be decided by the super delegates. And although Obama is ahead in delegates and the popular vote, watch and see how the hillary machine overpowers the superdelegates. They’re working them day in and day out as we speak, and they will until the convention. The democratic people will not speak in this election… the clinton machine will determine the democratic choice. Mark my words, I know I’m right. I know how those clinton people work… they’re devious, without a soul and they don’t care about anyone about themselves. They’ll destroy the democratic party all for their personal gain.
When this happens, I hope the democratic backlash is so overpowering that they sweep McCain into office.
But is it not true that Obama has narrowed the superdelegate gap between him and Clinton over the last months? According to CNN, the gap is now down to 34 superdelegates, whereas a month or two ago it was about 100, i believe
do you see what I’m saying!!! I KNEW those clintons were working the superdelegates. The superdelegates are chosing the next democratic nomination… not the voters.
First of all, I don’t think what you’ve laid out is going to happen. Secondly, if it did happen thatenough superdelegates vote for Clinton so that she gets the nomination, how is that “stealing” it? It’s acting within the rules.
Because it’s stealing it from the voters… who are these superdelegates that they should decide the next candidate when things are this close especially when the voters and regular delegates are favoring Obama. It’s just wrong.
I don’t see it at all. Obama is gaining superdelegate support, which is demonstrated by what feels like every article published in the last six weeks. She’s gained only a handful of those delegates recently, and he’s eroded her lead. With the voters tending in another direction, those delegates haven’t got much loyalty to the Clintons. I think those delegates are very concerned about the idea of “overturning” the popular vote. They don’t want to do it.
Take a deep breath. DailyKos has a litany of all the things that her campaign has done to try to get an edge – any edge – in this campaign. So far she is still losing.
Her overall delegate count is lower by over 100.
Her superdelegate edge is being blunted day after day.
Her campaign has declared about a dozen different states “must-win” races, and lost most of them, including Texas (remember that the primary and the caucus both count!).
She has been caught in (yet another) lie at what may be the worst possible time: the doldrums between OH/TX and PA, where the 24-7 news cycle is grasping at straws to find a story to fill the vacuum. By contrast, Obama’s turn in the barrel earlier this month didn’t hurt his poll numbers at all.
Her veiled threats to Pelosi made the front page of Drudge, and sparked (yet another) story during the news vacuum. Reporters don’t have to work too hard on this one – it’s easy to cast her as a villain, regardless of your opinion of her campaign.
Don’t panic. She will continue to flex her political muscle, push for backroom deals, threaten, cajole, lie, backstab, and do all of the things that make her the vicious candidate that she is… and she will most likely end up hurting herself more than the party.
Alright, I am panicking; I don’t want her to be the democratic choice… I just think a lot of people don’t take the daily kos seriously since they appear to be a bit vitirioic and hostile at times.
I hope they take them seriously regarding this though…
And now you have major money supporters for hillary playing hardball with Pelosi… threatening her financially that they’ll cut off their support if she doesn’t change her tune.
If hillary wins the democratic nomination, I’m voting for McCain… which won’t be difficult for me since I’m still registered as a republican. But I really wanted to see Obama as our next president.
Today on Fox News she said, “That’s what credentials fights are for” with regards to MI and FL, so it is apparent that she intends on going all the way to Denver with her little sad fucking game.
The superdelegates have never had such a clear choice. It’s either now or when? At least if they go to Obama to put him over 2024 we won’t have to pay attention to Hillary any more.
JohnnieEnigma It’s got nothing to do with taking the DailyKos seriously. Either what they are reporting is correct or it isn’t. If what they are reporting has any truth in it, others will see it that way too. Look for other sources to see if they corroborate what the Kos is saying.
To address the OP, the Democratic Party is a club that can set up any rules it damn well pleases for how to pick a candidate. If Hillary gets the nomination according to their own rules, it can’t be considered “stealing” it.
Then…
That’s kind of backwards. After 1968, the DP ushered in a more small-d democratic nominating process, instead of leaving it up to party leaders in smoke-filled back rooms. They didn’t trust the voters fully, though, so left in quite a bit of power for the traditional party insiders. The intent was to keep the voters from being able to nominate a candidate that was unelectable.
McGovern did not have the support of the popular vote in 1972, but the insiders tipped the scales in his favor, so he was their candidate.
The irony is that the two times the insiders have swung away from the popular vote, ostensibly to nominate a candidate who is more “electable,” they have nominated George McGovern (1972) and Walter Mondale (1984), the two most unelectable Democrats one could imagine.