Do you know what’s in the speeches? No? Then how do you know its bogus? The stuff we’ve seen leaked so far hasn’t been doing her campaign any good.
What she did with her emails at the State department would have gotten anyone else fired, some of those things were beyond foot faults or minor ethical breaches (particularly deleting emails (or wiping them with a cloth) after the subpoena). Nothing bogus about that.
And since when does criticizing Hillary mean I’m not a Democrat? A significant minority of Democrats have an unfavorable view of her.
The emails and the speeches aren’t going to change my vote but they changed my mind about her. If she was running against Romney this year, I vote for Romney.
The email stuff hurt Hillary. And rightly so. The speeches hurt Hillary, and rightly so.
Yeah, no Democrat not named Clinton has a chance in Presidential races. Remember that guy back in 2008, Brock Omaha or something? By the time they were done with him he’d resigned from the Senate in disgrace. Last I heard of him he was hawking used cars somewhere in Chicagoland.
You know, if these last eight years of President McCain have taught me anything, it’s that the Clintons are the last gasp of the Democratic Party. Enjoy it while you can.
[This* is* an alternate history thread, right? Because you know, in this reality, Obama *did *stand up to Rovian attacks.]
This paragraph says very little. Obama was able to catch her once black Democrats saw him as a real contender and practically all defected to him. And he was able to get that far by being not a Bush nor a Clinton nor a Baby Boomer, in an era when many in the press were sick of the whole generation of draft-dodging screwballs and angry veterans.
Yes, I saw that article in the Washington Post about How Boomers Suck. Such a “pampered” generation–but the last one that had to face the draft. During an unpopular war. So, those who allowed themselves to be drafted–or even joined up–are “angry.” (Well, the ones who aren’t dead.) All the other guys are “draft-dodging screwballs.”
Weren’t you a Bernie fan before returning to your Republican roots? He’s an old guy. Who was in college during those years, tried to be a CO (but failed) & finally aged out of the draft.
Hillary will do fine. Much of her current campaigning is aimed down the ballot–she knows she needs Democratic Senators & Reps. Alas, some of my generation is showing signs of Trump Dementia–but we tend to vote. We really need some of the “young” voters to wake up & vote in the non-glamorous elections. Do support some young talented politicians for the future.
Check the link again, and click next to “Show results by”, and then choose “Party ID”. And you’ll see that 87% of Democrats see her favorably (or did at the time of that poll), and 11% see her unfavorably, and 2% have no opinion.
Other than rare mega-talents like Obama and Bill Clinton, there are no candidates that most people would “actually like”. This is the new normal – half the country will automatically hate each candidate, and another handful will dislike them, most of the time.
I don’t think you’re seeing Hillary in an objective way, which is pretty common these days. I don’t particularly like her, but she’s pretty damn close to a standard Democratic pol.
Obama was a “real contender” because he’s Obama – a once-in-a-generation political talent. No one else could have caught her, and it was by the skin of his nose. And had she run a smarter campaign, and not ignored the caucus states, she would have won and Vice President Obama would now be running for his first term.
An average Democrat (like Hillary) would have won in 2008, but not in a near-landslide, taking VA and NC and IN. We Democrats are a little spoiled because the last two Presidents we’ve had were incredible political talents, but Bill Clinton and Obama are unique, and we’d be incredibly lucky to see another one that talented in the next decade or two. Kaine isn’t that good, and neither are the other Democrats I like and hope will run in the next decade or two (Booker, Gillibrand, maybe the Castros, and several more), at least as far as one can tell this early.
Yes? You’re telling me they didn’t use Rovian attacks vs President Obama?
I didnt say that “no Democrat not named Clinton has a chance in Presidential races” but I DO say that any candidate will be subject to Rovian attacks. Maybe, just maybe O’Malley or Sanders would have come out OK. But dont think their approval ratings would have been all that much better than Hillarys.
Actually quite a bit of them have been leaked. Wikileaks has carefully combed them for the worst bits and released them. Two words.* Ho* and* Hum.*
Actually the wikileaks doesnt seem to have hurt.
Nope. I had to handle classified info myself. What she did would get here reprimanded and she would have had to retake training. Not nothing but not that big a deal.
Sure, during the Primary you support your favorite. But afterwards, you put your big boy pants on and support the Parties and People’s favorite- like Sanders did.
**Right now, you are campaigning for Trump. ** Dont give me this “we” stuff.
The Cook PVI of a state, Congressional district, or other area is a measure of how much an area has voted GOP or Dem in recent elections, relative to the nation as a whole.
Saying a CD is R+2 is saying that in recent elections, it’s voted 2 percentage points more Republican than the nation as a whole has.
The PVI has nothing to do with who is running in this election. The results of this year’s election will be input into future PVI scores of states and CDs.
Its not going to cost her the election but its embarrassing how close this is.
Wait, so if you deleted emails that may be subject to a subpoena, you would have gotten you reprimanded? That’s it?
If you had classified email conversations over a non-classified system, that would have warranted additional training?
So should Republicans who supported people other tahn Trump put on their big boy pants and support the party’s favorite? What if they don’t feel like putting party before country?
**Right now, you are campaigning for Trump. ** Dont give me this “we” stuff.
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Are you accusing me of lying? Because these conversations get really tedious when we start doing that. But I may not be part of your “we” , i don’t put party before country. I’ve seen where that took the Republican party and I’m in no hurry to duplicate the effects on the Democratic side.
When I say I am not a Trump supporter, you are supposed to take me at my word especially when it is entirely consistent to be critical of someone so criticism worthy as Hillary while also not supporting someone like Trump.
Can you provide a link because I thought you were talking about current election polls.
There are 26 districts that are currently held by Republicans that Obama won in 2012. These are flippable districts. How many of them do you think Hillary has helped flip?
DrDeth, I am giving you a warning for this and previous posts in which you accuse Damuri Ajashi of being untruthful about supporting Trump.
I’m giving it for being a jerk - and you’ll see that on the warning - but I could easily give it for a sideways accusation of lying. When Damuri Ajashi says he’s not for Trump you should take him at his word and not continue to accuse him of doing so. Especially not in the post I’ve quoted above. That one has no content other than to make the accusation.