CitizenPained, the point is, if this paper chooses not to run photos that have women in them, that’s fine. Don’t print them.
What is NOT fine is when they ALTER photos to REMOVE women. A photograph is a factual record of events. When they photoshop out two important members of the administration, they are altering the factual record of what happened.
This is wrong. They should not alter photos. If they don’t want to run a photo because it has a woman in it that will cause their readers to get an automatic woody in their trousers and stain their bekishe, then DON’T RUN THE PHOTO.
It would be similar if a group photoshopped out a guy because the tie he was wearing offended the flying spaghetti monster. They have made a change to the factual record.
I’m hardly an expert on the topic, but it’s my understanding that in the vast majority of Judaism, even Orthodox (but not super-crazy-insanely-orthodox), there’s almost no “Dogma” per se, in that I think of Dogma as things that you are required to believe in order to be a part of the faith. Judaism tends to encourage people to question and come to their own conclusions. So even if a fair number of Orthodox Jews, like a fair number of fundamentalist Christians, believe in the literal historical truth of Noah’s Flood (for example), if little Schlomo comes home one day and says that he thinks it’s only metaphorically true because it’s logistically impossible, particularly if he throws in some math, his opinion will be much more accepted than that of little Chris Christianson.
That’s probably true - strictly speaking, Jews believe the world is even younger than the Young Earth Creationists do. The difference in my experience is that most Jews have the good sense not to take a lot of that stuff seriously.
haha.
Considering that most public kashrut eateries are supervised by an Orthodox group. I kept kosher for awhile and I did it frum-style. If I had been in Detroit and looking for some kosher Indian, I would’ve assumed it to be from an Orthodox community. tis all.
I don’t care what people eat as long as it isn’t, you know, children.
Nothing. It’s just that some people want to follow certain rules that Conservatives don’t, such as dairy and meat and wine restrictions. I don’t care. Go bust the monopoly and make some cash.
but according to the editor who emailed me back, the article did mention Clinton and noted all the VIPs. hardly misleading once you consider that its readers have had a looooonnng history of no women in a photo. i’m sure that most of them have access to the intarwebs and most of them have seen it.
Since both women were on one side of the room, I don’t understand why they didn’t just crop off that side of the photo. They could have captioned the photo with the names of those not shown but also present. Sure it would have removed some men but at least it wouldn’t be a misrepresentation of what happened. I’ve seen plenty of photos of the situation room that were cropped just to show Obama, and some that just showed the Obama/Biden side of the table. Even though cropping is altering the photo it is not the same as misrepresenting what happened by photoshopping certain people out. Not to mention, cropping would have been quicker and supposedly they were in such a hurry to run the photo that they didn’t even have time to read the fine print on terms of use.
Strictly speaking, you should probably not make assumptions on what “Jews” believe about the creation of the world. Cause, yanno, some of the most religious communities of Judaism (aka Heredi) follow Kabblah, a tradition that, for the last millennium, has been suggesting that the world is billions of years old. :smack: Not that I consider Kabbalah to be religious dogma, but come on. “Jews” don’t believe the Earth is six thousand years old. :rolleyes:
Among the Haredim? More likely, little Schlomo gets smacked across the face and called an apikoros, and his parents try to find out who’s corrupting their son. Haredim are just as dogmatic and intolerant of different beliefs as Christian fundamentalists.
True of most Christians too, though. We’re talking, for both Christians and Jews about fundamentalists here.
I’m not assuming, and you just agreed with me while telling me I’m wrong: it’s 5,700-something on the Hebrew calendar, but I’d wager only a small number of Jews think that’s how old the world really is. So what the hell are you talking about now?
No. I disagree with you 4,000%. A calendar tradition based on when this world was created is not “strictly speaking, Jews believe”.
Nice try.
Even ‘fundamentalist’ Jews aren’t in a specific ‘world was created in seven actual days’ camp. SOME Jews thinks so…just like SOME Christians believe in aliens. SOME Haredi do. Some don’t. So even if you are speaking in terms of ‘strict fundamentalist’, you’re wrong. That implies that one Hasidic group is not fundamentalist but some Russian Haredim are.
You could say, “Fundamentalist Jews reject evolution as it stands” or “Early Jews held that the earth was xyz years old” or some such. But Jews were always more willing (and have commented on the possibility for over at thousand years) to accept the idea of an older Earth than Christians. Still is the case.
Here’s the problem: two sentences after the comment that you are up in arms about, I clearly said most Jews don’t think the world is 5,700 years old. The Hebrew calendar does say that the world is 5,771 years old, which is what I meant when I said “strictly speaking.” That’s what the tradition says, and if all Jews believed that calendar was literally accurate, that’s what they would believe. They don’t, because like I said, the majority of Jews have more sense than that. Let me know if you figure out what you are arguing with me about.
The problem I have with it is not just the intellectual dishonesty in removing the women who were actually present in a historically significant picture, but the mentality behind this kind of sexist bullshit (which it is - no question about it). They can hide behind religion and weaselly ideas like female modesty, but it’s plain old-fashioned sexism - treating women worse than men for no other reason than they’re women.
I don’t know. Daniel Elazar in 1991, estimated that Orthodox Jews made up about 35-45% of all Jews, and 50-70% of Jews who identified themselves as religious. Obviously, a lot of those are modern Orthodox, but there’s a good number who aren’t. In Israel, at least, about 26% of first graders study in Haredi schools and haredi make up about 12% of Israelis.
If Wikipedia is correct that there are about 1.3 million Haredi worldwide, then that’s about 10% of the worldwide Jewish population.
Haredi are a subsection of Orthodox Jews. according to Wikipedia:
Given that the majority of the world’s Jewish pop. lives in the US or Israel, I dunno how this could possibly be reconciled with Orthodox Jews making up 35-45% of all Jews, or that Haredi (a minority of this minority) can make up 10% of Jews, worldwide.
