Historical basis for the events of the Jewish Exodus

Welcome to the SDMB, Rabbichaim.

Since there is already an active thread in this forum on this subject, I’ll merge your thread with the earlier one.

bibliophage
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I have found several references to Thutmose I being Pharoah although Wikipedia lists four possibilties: Neferhotep I*, Thutmose I, Thutmose II, Thutmose III. link
Those names are based on the biblical dating of the Exodus and the linked section includes the caveat:

*The section including the name of Neferhotep is flagged as needing citation.

Interestingly enough, the page on Ramesses II includes the comment

yet he is not included in the discussion of the Exodus story.

Problem is, I gather his nonsense is about as popular in Russia as Creationism is in the USA. The combination of a wounded, dismembered, and insulted nation, a failed economy, and a paranoid theory of history has led to mass bloodshed within living memory.

Whoa! I wish I read Russian, because I feel a need to subscribe to Fomenko’s newsletter.

Double whoa! Dude’s been published, and not on his own dime!
However, I’m interested in Rabbichaim’s claims. Kinda wish he’d posted them to Great Debates, where they’d get more views and comments, but leave it to a newbie to post in the correct forum. (pause) No, I’m supposed to be SURPRISED a new gentleman posts in the correct forum, aren’t I? :smiley:

Really, I look forward to this discussion continuing. Fomenko and Velikovsky? They’re loads of fun*, but it’s limiting if everybody agrees that they’re nuts.

    • A total lie, at least with Velikovsky. I’ve read Worlds in Collision and Oedipus and Akhnaton, and he managed to outdo Philip Wylie and Edwin Balmer in making planetary collisions dull.

An awful lot of signs point to that, don’t they?

And imagine that you’ve apologized for your English for the last time here. We understood you fine. (sigh) Isn’t that liberating? :slight_smile:

Your challenge is to understand OUR English. To say some of us murder it is a kind understatement. :eek:

Pssst! Rabbichaim! Don’t tell anybody I suggested this, but repost you assertions in Great Debates. Rephrase some words so nobody can accuse you of a “doublepost.” :wink:

Archeologists have found the tomb of Ramses the 2d and he didn’t drown in the Red Sea, also they state they have found evidence of small groups that lived in the desert during that period, but no large groups.

The question remains why would anyone stay in the desert for that length of time when they could have gotten out sooner and to safety in another land?

I am no fan of velikovsky, but there may be something to his thesis of “scrambled history” with regard to the Exodus. First, Abraham moves from UR, and settles in caanaan-and founds the Israeli nation. later, the Israelites move (en masse) to Egypt-where they are neslaved! Then, Moses leads them out of Egypt, and back to Caanaan-the place they left!
Is not not reasonable that the writers of Exodus confused things a bit? They may actually be confusing the migration out of UR with the Exodus from Egypt. that would explain why the leaders of the Exodus (Moses, Aaaron0 thought that Caaanaan was a new place.
The same confusion applies to the Egyptians-they do not say where the "land of Punt"was-yeat “Punt” was probabaly the land next to Egypt (Caanaan).