Does Cecil reject all the theories of Immanuel Velikovsky?
Actually I think almost everybody in the world discounts Velikovsky.
Although I do have a perverse liking for Aten and Ankhenaten … except for the whole diversion into greek myths. Although it is interesting to try and link up the historical happenings in Egypt with greek myths, I really don’t see any way of various greeklings starting to tell stories about egyptian royalty. That would be sort of like our arkansas hillbillies telling stories about Princess Diana and her car accident in about 1500 years as some hillbilly pretty woman getting killed in a carriage wreck in a mountain pass while running away from people chasing her and her lover.
Sometime when I have more time I should dig his books out of the box in the barn we have them stored in and read them again.
Well, depending on how you mean it. The man said a lot of things, and, on the stopped-clock principle, proved out to be right on a (very) few – most notably that Jupiter is hot.
But his theories about the Exodus require that Newton’s law of gravity be grossly wrong, which is utterly unbelievable, and that hydrocarbons be the same thing as carbohydrates – which they ain’t.
With all that, though, I have to admit he’s a good deal saner than Fomenko.
a rabid gerbil is saner than Fomenko … have you read anything of his? :eek:
I class Velikovski along with Von Daniken, an amusing read for a rainy afternoon - when you are bored and a bit brain dead. Sort of the literary and research version of popcorn and munchos…
Who is Velikovsky, and what were his theories? How does The Exodus relate to Newton’s laws of gravity, and the temperature of Jupiter?
In case this isn’t a whoosh, and for the record:
Seems to at least mention that he tried to reconcile various historical calendars - with what validity of process, I couldn’t say. My impression is that his primary sources were whatever muses (spirits, maybe) he consulted.
Thing is, I know enough for my bare interest, and I don’t really have enough more of an interest (or the right sense of humor?) to do much more than skim the article to make sure it’s the right guy.
Smile when you say that, pardner, and capitalize the “A”.
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Back on the Jewish exodus…
I believe I saw a special on PBS (or Discovery or History…) citing recent discoveries indicating the Exodus may have been a relatively minor affair with a small group migrating up to Canaan (sp?). They merged with existing Canaanite ‘dissidents’ and that eventually morphed into the nation of Israel…
I am probanly butchering this description although the main point was that the Exodus was a bit different tham as recorded.
I don’t know if the producers conferred with The Master.
Could it have been this NOVA episode?
The link is to a segment from a larger program about biblical archaeology.
I think it’s fantastic that people here have no idea who Velikovsky is. It’s a victory for and vindication of real science. Maybe Creationism will suffer the same fate in 50 years. Both were trying to pervert science to prove the truth of the bible and both failed spectacularly.
Yes, that looks like it
- I think you should look into the volcanic explosion at Thera about the same time. A volcanic eruption 10 times Krakatoa might give a good way to explain 10 plagues in Egypt at the same time. You can probly find some information with researches following the end of the Minoan civilization.
-I’m not out to vindicate Christianity, I actually think more along the lines that Jesus is a personification of the sun gods of the time. With the resurection of the sun events arround the 25th.
Apologize if my gramer is not up to par. English is not my mother tongue.
our on the principle that they are our somewhat backwards children and we are allowed to trash on them … but you better not, otherwise thems fighting words … 
bless their little pointy heads …
although i will admit, the only person I know who literally did look upon family reunions as a great place to get a date for saturday night was frm Arkansas … he was pretty up front about having the hots for a cousin as in the daughter of his uncle … and apparently she reciprocated :eek:
Mrs. Plant’s cousin from CT visited us in AR. She was so surprised that everyone wore shoes that when she and I went to the bar to smoke she asked, “This is the South, right?” I replied, “Well, we lost the War.”
Cecil said
I don’t believe I took anything out of context but if I did I apologize.
I don’t get the reasoning on this bit. If the spring floods turning the river red were commonplace, as seems to be the assertion, you’d think the Egytians would have noticed the pattern.
The fact that they appeared somewhat discomfitted by the suddenly incarnadine Nile suggests to me that it was unusual at least.
Sorry if this sounds nitpicky. I’ve just run into that same sort of logic before and it always baffles me.
I understood that in general the plagues were not particularly mentioned on any egyptian references … and red tides are not typical in the nile from what I understand. Believe me, the egyptians were all about the nile cycles and there would be more than enough references to a red color to the water on a regular basis if it was common …
Good golly you weren’t joking about Fomenko if this article and this one are even remotely accurate. It does sound like he’s good for a few laughs though.
The Ten Plagues - Live From Egypt
by Rabbi Mordechai Becher
In the early 19th Century a papyrus, dating from the end of the Middle Kingdom, was found in Egypt. It was taken to the Leiden Museum in Holland and interpreted by A.H. Gardiner in 1909. The complete papyrus can be found in the book Admonitions of an Egyptian from a heiratic papyrus in Leiden. The papyrus describes violent upheavals in Egypt, starvation, drought, escape of slaves (with the wealth of the Egyptians), and death throughout the land. The papyrus was written by an Egyptian named Ipuwer and appears to be an eyewitness account of the effects of the Exodus plagues from the perspective of an average Egyptian. Below are excerpts from the papyrus together with their parallels in the Book of Exodus.
(For a lengthier discussion of the papyrus and the historical background of the Exodus, see Jewish Action, Spring 1995, article by Brad Aaronson, entitled When Was the Exodus? ) The Ten Plagues - Live From Egypt « Pesach « Ohr Somayach
Who was the pharoh during this time? I unstand it was Ramses the 2d. His tomb and all his brothers was found by Kent Weeks (and he was an adult).
One can make out what wants of this, as many things written after the fact are not quite so, Like Noah’s flood of the entire earth.
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