Histories of linguistic preference

I’ve had a theory since childhood (one of many) which I would love to explore more fully, but I need the appropriate linguisitic terms, and neither my knowledge, nor that of a close linguist friend, seems to be turning them up.

We have, in the English Language, a long academic history of attending to etymology. It’s so ingrained that we rarely question it.

However, as much as I love etymology, in my opinion that our attention to it is misplaced o grossly overemphasized. On one hand, most students of the subject will agree that, in ‘interesting’ [nonobvious, puzzling, or even much-studied] cases often deveolve to litttle more than “folk etymology”, however plausible the derivation may be. Indeed, on closer examination, it turns out that several current ethical or religious notions are based on flawed etymologies.

(The Abrahamic tradition (Judaism. Christianity and Islam) underlying Western or Middle Eastern cultures contains many examples of fundamental "middle’ or “late” [i.e. nonfounding] religious precepts based on now-discredited etymological links. For that matter [since I don’t want people to think I am slamming etymologists], many are based on notions that any competent etymologist can easily disprove.

There is little doubt that words often mold our thoughts. The history of usage and interpretation of words is ithe subject that etymology seeks to explore, but it can at best give part of the picture – i.e. it is valuable but inherently flawed . Indeed the underlying terminology of etymology shows the flaw of the approach: we speak of linguistic “roots” as if lineage were by direct descent, but it clearly isn’t. No root-based analysis can explain why “gay” or “stalking” or “macho” or “chip” [integrated circuit] --or for that matter “urban legend”-- emerged over many plausible competitors to be the overwhelmingly predominant term that will mold usage, thought and future linguisitic evolution.

At some point, a word just catches on. Indeed, “Word!” (once “Word up!”) is a good example. Rightly or wrongly, I maintain it was descended from “Verba sat sapienti sufficit” via Shakespeare’s translation of the meme “a word to the wise is sufficient”. The concept permeates our culture, but pop etymologists seem curiously loath to credit the originators [or their culture] with reading Shakespeare in high school, much less resonating with a phrase that traces back in our culture past Classical Latin to Classical/Ancient Greek.

While speak of linguistic roots, and I do feel that a term/word must generally be clear enough by analogy to prior usage (at least to some influential class) if it is to spread through the general population, i believe at least an equal number of “interesting cases” (a disproportionately influential minority, IMHO) are not directly traceable by this method. In my own mind, I consider it the diference between genealogy and individual accomplishment or evolution

I think this is well illustrated --perhaps inarguably-- by many cases where the origin is concretely provable. Politics offers many irrefutable examples. Nothing in the word “star” and little in the word “wars” leads directly to Reagan’s Stategic Defense Initiative; and neither “new” nor “deal” says much about FDR’s social policy expect in the context of the politics of the time. The meaning of a “Star Wars Initiative” might’ve seemed clear to Americans in 1981-82, but it would have been seemed like complete comic book gibberish in 1976. The “New Deal”, as discussed in 1932, has little or no relation to the Democratic policy or rhetoric of 1924 or 1928. (It was tricky to explain even in its first years of implementation, and was --perhaps rightfully-- called “communist” [i.e. in line with the Soviet rhetoric of the time] by many lifelong Democrats – members and leaders of the longstanding socially conservative party, back then. No matter what your TwenCen history teacher hinted was no freakish accident that Lincoln was a Republican

In geology or biology we may call it “punctuated equilibrium”, in everyay language, we say a phrase “catches on” – no less discriptive that the ten-dollar word.

So what do we call that subject? the study of the forward-looking evolution of linguisitic usage, as opposed to etymology’s often backward looking genealogy. Since I fear I phrased it badly, let me clarify: too often etymology emphasizes where a word “came from” [“roots”, phylogeny] when it is often more important how/why it predominated over the competing synonyms/memes of that era.

Okay, I’ve ranted poorly long enough. By now a lot of you must be primed and aching with terms for me to Google. I know the notion isn’t original with me. I can hardly imagine that any State Spelling Bee champ in the last half-century, 4th grade or 8th, hasn’t pondered this.

(Okay. I’m overstating. The vast majority of Spelling Champs I’ve met have being gloriously bright and multifaceted, but a few (you probably don’t know who you are, but everyone else does) were borderline idiot savants or superclerks. THEY probably consider Etymology to be scientific fact.)

Fire away. It won’t be the first drubbing I took gladly to learn a thing ot two.

Did I miss the part where you actually put forth your theory?

The writing was a bit disorganized. I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

Help me get clear on what you’re saying and what you’re asking. I think the following questions are pertinant:

  1. What is it you think people have been trying, wrongly, to accomplish through etymology?

  2. What are some examples illustrating why you think they have been wrong to do so?

  3. What are you proposing should be done instead, if anything?

-FrL-

Are you just saying that the meaning of a term is not determined by the history of its usage? No one should disagree with you about that. But do you find that some do disagree with you?

Do I take you correctly to be suggesting that someone ought to be studying just exactly how terms do acquire their meaning, if it’s not completely by means of the terms’ having been used in this or that way in the past? I’d say there are plenty of people who agree with you there. In order of nonsensicality, here are some areas of study subdivisions of which try to tackle questions like this:

Linguistics
Philosophy*
Semiotics (may be equal to or better than Philosophy as far as nonsensicality is concerned–I haven’t really looked into it too closely)
Literary and Critical Theory
Cultural Theory

Pick the one(s) that sound most interesting to you and get to reading. :slight_smile: (That is, assuming I’m at all right about what you’re trying to say.)

-FrL-

*My own area of study…

I meant to say either “In descending order of nonsensicality” or “in ascending order of nonsensicality” and I set out to create the present post in order to make the relevant correction. But I have decided to be cheeky and not say which order I meant. :slight_smile:

I meant the right order, of course.

-FrL-

In so far as I can understand your question, I assume that this is the heart of it:

> So what do we call that subject? the study of the forward-looking
> evolution of linguisitic usage, as opposed to etymology’s often backward
> looking genealogy. Since I fear I phrased it badly, let me clarify: too often
> etymology emphasizes where a word “came from” [“roots”, phylogeny] when it
> is often more important how/why it predominated over the competing
> synonyms/memes of that era.

I guess that you’re asking, “Why did a word evolve in one way and not in another way? We know how the word evolved, but why did it evolve in that way? There are other plausible ways that the word could have evolved. There are other plausible ways that other words could have evolved to take the meaning of that word. Why didn’t that happen?” The answer is that it’s just a matter of luck. It’s no different than asking why a particular path in biological evolution happened. It’s just luck. The same thing is true in history. Other ways that human history could have happened are equally plausible. It’s just luck that it happened the way that it did.

My google suggestions: contingency, exaption, spandrels. But I suspect you already knew that. As for predictive linguistics, whilst I’m not anywhere near the field I imagine that’s permanently beyond our reach in the detail you are interested in. I doubt that even those who take memetics very seriously would think that it could have much to say on the issue.

I really think Frylock’s suggestion of Semiotics is the closest, because it is the most closely concerned with the evolution of meaning. A lot of semiotics is about non-verbal material, but the roots of the discipline are in linguistics so there’s quite a lot of theories on words.

As to the OP itself, there used to be a theory that employed something like punctuated equilibrium to trace sound changes, called glottochronology. (Well, it wasn’t very punctuated until linguists figured out it didn’t work and tried to mess with it a little bit.) But I don’t think anyone ever applied it to word meanings. And IANA real linguist, so I may have some details wrong.

The study of the origin of words is a sub-field of etymology. Usually, new words appear as slang, and since they begin orally are nearly impossible to trace beyond first printed usage. Sometimes, in the modern day, experts in pop culture / mass media can trace the spread (e.g. rap-influenced vocabulary; “bling”).

…of the origin of NEW words.

Curse you, you hungry, hungry hamsters!

I have to go with Wendell Wagner. Luck is one way to put it, but random chance factors is perhaps slightly better. Root words and print usage are the only clues we can ever possibly have. We can’t figure out where current slang and vogue usage comes from and doing so in the past is trebly impossible. There is no real technical study of this because it’s utterly futile.

What you’re talking about is more a matter of sociology than linguistics. As such, you might want to read The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference, by Malcolm Gladwell,* which is a popular study of how after the fact we can look back and see how a multitude of small effects can add up to an exponentially larger and more permanent effect.

But we can never do this for word usage in the past. So, yes, this is a problem that people have thought about but it’s no more studiable than what dinosaurs smelled like.
*Caveats. The book is flawed in all sorts of ways. Some of what it says is obvious and some is fatuous. The scientific value, even in the rare studies he cites, is close to nil. Etc. But it does in a general way address this effect so it’s somewhat pertinent. And it’s very readable, unlike most academic sociology.

I profoundly apologize for the disorderly presentation

Sleep deprivation and a glass of wine (I was “too tired to sleep”) are not a promising combination on the SDMB. After a long-overdue and touching reunion with my bed, I think I’m ready to give it another go

I don’t think etymology is necessarily “doing anything wrong.” I LOVE etymology, but I’m more interested in its original sense: from classical times, the terms that correspond to our word “etymology,” [e.g. the Greek etymologia, Latinized by Cicero as veriloquium] emphasized the study of meanings and their evolution, but in recent centuries (I blame the rise of dictionaries), “etymology” has been used increasingly for the study of the derivations and evolutionary history of the word itself.

I’m hoping that the study that most interests me is simply thriving under some other name, but I can’t seem to find the right search terms to look into it.

Contemporary etymology too often looks backwards for my tastes. It paints a tidy picture, but I’d like to learn more about the other direction, about the process, and what underlies the unvoiced collective decisions. As fascinating and tortuous as historical etymologies can be, most fix on the when and what, not the how or why (which some consider the hallmark of bad history). I find that the circumstances that cause detours are often the most interesting part of any road trip.

At present I am most interested in situations where preferred usage changed rapidly [e.g.: In the 1950s, one could still use “gay” to describe a confirmed bachelor without making any assertions about his orientation. Until the late 1980s, the word “stalk” wasn’t used for obsessive romantic pursuit, except as an occasional artistic flourish, despite the obvious parallels and literature’s long interest in obsessions – yet, in a rare instance of a clear “known cause”, the contemporary use of stalking was established throughout North America by 1991]

I am especially interested in academic work covering linguistic switchpoints that predate, or took place away from, mass media.

Any suggestions?

Can you give some examples of the practice of this kind of ancient etymology?

As you describe it, it sounds like the kind of thing people do who say their area is “The History of Ideas.” (It’s a newish, but growing, area of Academic study at the moment.)

-FrL-

KP, you really seriously need to work on making your questions more comprehensible. (Of course, it may be because you’re not even certain yourself what you’re asking about.) It’s still hard to understand what you’re asking for. Let me suggest another area that may be what you’re asking about. Two books (coming from quite different intellectual backgrounds) may be related to what you’re asking. These are C. S. Lewis’s Studies in Words and Raymond Williams’s Keywords. These are both histories of particular words (several dozen words for each book) and what they imply about how meanings change at the same time as culture changes. I haven’t read the Williams book. I hope this helps answer your question, although I’m still not sure what your question is.

nitpick: Obsessive stalking is the antithesis of romantic pursuit. This is an example of why you will continue to see the word stalk associated with preying upon the helpless rather than evolving into the merriment (for both sexes) of the chase.

What I just said is predictive, but I doubt if it has any real value. I take it that you want to look at shifts that were made in the past.