Hobo Spiders and necrosis

The above is incorrect with regards to Hobo spiders and their ability to cause massive infections.

Hobo spiders which are now very common in the Northwest US are known to cause severe lesions and secondary infections.

Hobo spiders are known as Tegenaria agrestis, with two other members in the same genus also being very common in the same ranges, especially in the Northwest; they being the smaller and inpotent Tegenaria domestica (mat weaver of the house) and Tegenaria gigantea (Gigantic mat weaver). The latter of these two can grow to disturbing sizes, and is nearly identical to the hobo spider, often being confused with it.

Now, necrotic wounds are commonly attributed to brown recluses in the NW by doctors and people alike. This would be fine and well, except recluse spiders have never been found in the NW. Prior to Tegenaria’s probable introduction in Seattle from Europe there was very little recluse blaming activity. Starting in the 1940’s doctors began seeing patients with severe necrosis, and could only pin the problem on recluses which the bites resembled.

Since T. agrestis was not known to be common in the northwest, it was understandable that these necrotic lesions be attributed to a spider that was known to cause such problems. But a professor at WSU started a study to test the recluse theory. “In the late 1970s and early 1980s this mystery came to the attention of toxinologist Darwin Vest, an autodidact whose work on cobras, rattlesnakes, and other venomous creatures had won him respect. While working at Washington State University in Pullman, Vest learned that the local zoology department often received queries about necrotic arachnidism—flesh-killing lesions apparently caused by spider bites. Vest looked into the cases of 75 patients in the Pacific Northwest. He blamed most of the injuries on insect bites, cigarette burns, and other causes. But that left 22 cases. Vest and his team surveyed the homes of these patients, collecting thousands of specimens by hand and with sticky traps. None of the homes yielded brown recluses, but 16 of them revealed healthy populations of hobo spiders. Sometimes a single sticky trap would fill with hoboes in a week’s time.” (Discover magazine, vol 26 no 9) and after milking the spiders and injecting into rabits, it was found to cause necrotic lesions. However the results were not found to be reproducable. However, it has been found that necrotic cases do coincide in frequency with mating times for hobo spiders (early to mid summer).

As for T. gigantea, although not known to be responsible for venemous necrotic reactions, they are of remarkable size (leg span of a hand palm or more, the author having seen one of that size on a stairwell at the University of Washington). They have fangs more than big enough to cause massive secondary infections to regions they bite. These infections are no easy business, as they can cause necrosis themselves, or worse yet, systemic infections. In the northwest, where spiders tend to be quite small and seldom venture inside the house (with exception to black widows), T. Gigantea is by far the largest common housespider of the northwest, and the most likely culprit to any secondary infection caused by bugbite.

In general however, Tegenaria species are very timid species. Usually they confine themselves to the area around their web, unless disturbed. They do not bite unless harrased, and even then the bites are usually dry. They do venture out in mating season, during summer. So unless the bite occured in summer, or you saw the Tegenaria species actually bite you, it probably isn’t a hobo or gigantea bite.

In closing, if the hobo spider is not dangerous, then why does the CDC seem to think otherwise? http://aepo-xdv-www.epo.cdc.gov/wonder/prevguid/m0042059/m0042059.asp

All spiders are dangerous, and ALL are agressive to humans.

rylest, I suggest you look at the recent thread by guest Tenebrosus, found [thread=351145]here: Poisonous Spiders[/thread]. Hopefully, she is still around to discuss the issue; a more knowledgeable person we may never get to post on the subject. :slight_smile:

The Staff Report in question: http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mspiderbite.html

Picture of a hobo spider bite: http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/eb1548/fig9.jpg

from: http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/eb1548/eb1548.html

Necrosis from spider bite: http://www.avru.unimelb.edu.au/avruweb/deestarrlesion.jpg

from: http://www.avru.unimelb.edu.au/avruweb/na.htm

Horrific photos of sequelae of brown recluse spider bite: http://www.emedicinehealth.com/fulltext/10729.htm :eek:

Huh? Cite?

Maybe someone here can help me out, and this is related to the thread! Back in the mid 80’s, I was bit, or stung, by something as I chopped down high grass with a machete in Colorado Springs. As far as I know, I am allergic to nothing, and bees, wasps and hornet stings never amount to much for me. (Bee stings are nothing more than a pin prick.) At any rate, I felt a sharp, very painful bite on my thigh and slapped whatever bit me without dropping the machete. The area blistered and became very painful. I waited until I went to grad school to have it look it at, a few weeks later, by which point I couldn’t wear blue jeans. The cut it open and squeezed out nastiness by hand, which was right up there with feeling my wisdom teeth get cut in half on the pain scale.

At the time, it was blamed on a brown recluse. I’ve met one other man, who went through the same thing in Pueblo, CO. (He actually passed out. He had large, older, sweaty nurse. I had attractive, young, Boulder nurse. Seems to have made a difference.)

If it wasn’t a brown recluse. Could it have been another spider?