Don’t know how to post a quote in a different thread, so Post 26.
What the fuck, man? Calling me out in a thread about a thread that we derailed? You didn’t even quote what I said! You totally misrepresented my argument and used my name, specifically, in a thread that I had nothing to do with.
RickJay says “It can’t hurt if you don’t know about it.” and you reply “IS disagrees.” NO I DON’T!! I have come out in support of DADT. I like not knowing and not being able to know. That’s a great policy for me. My major point is EXACTLY what RickJay said.
Moreover, your thread doesn’t accurately represent my argument either. Post #20 rephrases your question, to “put it in more general terms”, as if the oogling was “totally undetectable”. My ENTIRE ARGUMENT is centered around the idea that changing DADT makes it detectable! You asked “If you showered…”, not “Do you think servicemebers care…” or “If you were a servicemember…” Half the respondents answered with “No, cuz I’m ugly and fat and old.”
It’s cool if you asked your own question and then got responses. Hey, you’re free to ask whatever you want. But you asked an erred question and then pulled me into it by claiming that I support something I don’t.
I’m sure I have many ideas that seem absolutely batty to some, but this one, sir, does not belong to me.
Before that, I don’t know what went on. I gather IntelSoldier made some defense of the military’s stupid “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy. (Obama has said he wants to get rid of that. I’m sure he’d like to just eliminate discrimination against gays in the military altogether, but that requires Congress. Still, with a pretty solid Democratic majority, maybe they’ll finally strike the homophobic rules from the UCMJ.)
I was sort of with you right up until you said (words to the effect of) “Wait, so I’m a homophobe if I don’t want to shower with gays? Does that mean I’m a homophobe if I don’t want to suck their dicks, too?” and I realized you’re a complete fucking idiot.
ETA: At least when it comes to communal showers. I don’t remember you saying anything particularly dumb before that thread.
Chessic Sense, you really need an education on the use of abbreviations. The first time you use one in a thread, you need to define it (you don’t need to do so after that). This is actually a rule of journalism and writing, and for a reason - so people know what the hell you’re talking about. Two times in this thread I didn’t know what your abbreviation was for.
Why is that stupid? He called me a homophobe for not wanting to shower with gay men. It’s idiotic to call a perfectly reasonable desire homophobic. If you’re going to make the giant leap that not waning to get naked with gay men is homophobic, why not just leap all the way and say refusal of sex is homophobic? Why is seeing my body different than touching my body?
Because… it is? Seriously, there’s a pretty big difference between seeing and touching, and an even larger difference between seeing and sex. For one thing, you’ve probably got naked with gay men a good few times. And for another, you’ve seen them naked too, not to mention plenty of straight guys; is that equivalent to you having sex with them?
But I wouldn’t say not wanting to shower with gay men is necessarily homophobic. The question is not whether you don’t, but why you don’t.
Sure there’s a difference… but not with reference to homophobia. I desire neither, and neither make me a homophobe. On a scale of 1-10 of “Things done with a gay man.” where 1=ride the bus and 10=sex, it stops being homophobic at about a 6. Being naked is like 8.5. If someone wants to say that the divider should be a 9, then I’m saying why not go all out and make it a 10? It’s so ridiculously off-base to say that keeping my privates private is homophobic.
But to get back on track, the OP pitting is based on charges of libel and a backwards, sneaky assault on my character. Let’s talk about that.
While his analogy wasn’t a good one, a better one might be: So, you’re a woman, and you don’t want to shower with men whom you don’t know? What… you’re a man-hater?
Not fair. It isn’t reasonably possible for my mother to be attracted to me. Even if she could, she hasn’t seen me naked since I was 10. I don’t plan for her ever to see me naked again. A 7 would be a backrub or something. High-fiving and lunch are 1.5s. Beach is a 2. Carpooling is a 1. Manly hugs are a 4. More serious hugs are a 5.
Chessic sense, there appear to be three parts to your complaint here:
That I cited your name without your permission in another thread tangentially related to one we were talking in.
That I called you a homophobe.
That I misrepresented your position and/or put words in your mouth.
Let’s deal with these in turn shall we?
Deal with it. I don’t need your permission to mention your name, or to make reference to opinions/statements you’ve made. When you say things publicly they are no longer your private thoughts, you can and will be made accountable for what you say. Don’t like it? Don’t write things in a permanent medium.
I did not call you a homophobe. In fact, I specifically said:
How is that calling you homophobic? If it’s the second sentence in that quote you’re trying to infer is me calling you a homophobe in a roundabout way, why then did I clearly say that I don’t know whether you’re a homophobe in the previous sentence? Also, to be blunt, if you have interpreted what I’ve said to be a charge of homophobia then you own that, not me. If I want to charge someone with something specific I do it, I don’t pussyfoot around.
Which leads us to the final point (the words you used were “libel and a backwards, sneaky assault on my character”):
Allow me to throw your words back in your face:
Followed by:
So - your words, not mine - you don’t want gay people looking at you in the shower, and that for you is a good enough reason to either exclude gays from the military or at least force them to live under a blanket of secrecy so that in theory you won’t know their gay (lots of people have made clear DADT doesn’t actually achieve this as a lot of people know others who are gay and couldn’t care less). Are you familiar with the term “disproportionate response”?
Explain then, please, how I am misrepresenting your position? How can this not be fairly summarised as “intelsoldier is bothered by gay men looking at him in the shower”. You didn’t qualify ANYWHERE that they had to be doing anything other than looking at you and being gay. In fact you had several opportunities to make this distinction if that in fact was what you were trying to say, and you didn’t.
What I think has actually happened here is that you’ve read through the thread on gay men looking at you in the shower, realised how juvenile your position is, and attempted to back pedal by crying “my character has been besmirched by unfounded claims of homophobia - what ever next???”.
I started that thread precisely to bottom out what the issue was, and qualified it to make it clear what I wanted to know. If you felt like RickJay all along then why didn’t you say that at any point? A simple “of course I’m not saying that JUST BEING GAY and being in the shower with me is an issue, if I don’t know or it’s in no way obvious it’s no problem for me is it?”. In fact any such statement was conspicuous by its absence.
Your completely narrow view on the world aside (hey, you’re entitled to it after all) I find your attempts to paint me as a bad person flinging shit at you because I’ve got a grudge against you pretty fucking low. If anyone is throwing around libelous statements around here it’s you, you utter fuckwit.