Oh where to start…
Chessic sense, there appear to be three parts to your complaint here:
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That I cited your name without your permission in another thread tangentially related to one we were talking in.
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That I called you a homophobe.
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That I misrepresented your position and/or put words in your mouth.
Let’s deal with these in turn shall we?
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Deal with it. I don’t need your permission to mention your name, or to make reference to opinions/statements you’ve made. When you say things publicly they are no longer your private thoughts, you can and will be made accountable for what you say. Don’t like it? Don’t write things in a permanent medium.
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I did not call you a homophobe. In fact, I specifically said:
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IntelSoldier - I’m not going to try and judge whether you’re a homophobe or not based on comments written on a message board, I don’t know you well enough to make that kind of assertion. That said the kind of reasoning you’re employing is something that I would expect to come out of the mouth of someone who is homophobic (at least in its literal sense of the word - afraid of homosexuality, which you do seem to have to some degree).
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How is that calling you homophobic? If it’s the second sentence in that quote you’re trying to infer is me calling you a homophobe in a roundabout way, why then did I clearly say that I don’t know whether you’re a homophobe in the previous sentence? Also, to be blunt, if you have interpreted what I’ve said to be a charge of homophobia then you own that, not me. If I want to charge someone with something specific I do it, I don’t pussyfoot around.
Which leads us to the final point (the words you used were “libel and a backwards, sneaky assault on my character”):
- Allow me to throw your words back in your face:
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And? I shower/sauna with straight men at the gym all the time and have managed to successfully not attempt to molest any of them so far.
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Didn’t say you did. It’s not about physical harm. It’s about not wanting someone to see you naked if they can be attracted to you. Men can’t shower with women for the same reason.
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Followed by:
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Oh Jesus fucking Christ IntelSoldier, my eyes just rolled right up into my head. You’re saying that the right for someone else to actually be open about their lives (the same right you seem to take for granted) and not get summarily fired from their career, is not only equal to, but is trumped by your desire to not be seen by other men naked in the shower who might fancy you.
What are you, 12? This is the most pathetic reasoning I’ve heard coming out of the mouth of someone on this subject. “I don’t want you to look at me in the shower” is the kind of thing that was said to me when I was in secondary school by people who were too young and ignorant to know any better. You’re asking other people to forfeit one of the most fundamental rights we ask for in free society, to be ourselves and not have to lie about who we are, on the basis that these people make you feel a bit icky.
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It’s my body. I’m saying “I don’t want you seeing it.” and you’re saying “Too bad. Let me in. Pass the soap?”
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Ha! In the military? You’re kidding me, right?
Your whole argument boils down to “Gay people make me uncomfortable. Therefore I’m cool with segregating them, or at least keeping up appearances of segregation. But they can still serve as long as they lie about who they are to everyone for their entire career. So I’m not a homophobe.” Yeah, have fun defending that position.
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No, I’m not kidding you. I don’t understand how you can’t see the value of a policy that separates a person from the people he or she’d be attracted to. I’m not sure where you get the idea that my body is surrendered upon entry. Could they make me undress in front of women? Or a woman in front of men? Yes. But you’re arguing that they should.
You’re calling me a homophobe because I don’t want to shower/live with gay men? What’s next? I’m a homophobe if I don’t want to blow them? Yeah, have fun defending that position.
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So - your words, not mine - you don’t want gay people looking at you in the shower, and that for you is a good enough reason to either exclude gays from the military or at least force them to live under a blanket of secrecy so that in theory you won’t know their gay (lots of people have made clear DADT doesn’t actually achieve this as a lot of people know others who are gay and couldn’t care less). Are you familiar with the term “disproportionate response”?
Explain then, please, how I am misrepresenting your position? How can this not be fairly summarised as “intelsoldier is bothered by gay men looking at him in the shower”. You didn’t qualify ANYWHERE that they had to be doing anything other than looking at you and being gay. In fact you had several opportunities to make this distinction if that in fact was what you were trying to say, and you didn’t.
What I think has actually happened here is that you’ve read through the thread on gay men looking at you in the shower, realised how juvenile your position is, and attempted to back pedal by crying “my character has been besmirched by unfounded claims of homophobia - what ever next???”.
I started that thread precisely to bottom out what the issue was, and qualified it to make it clear what I wanted to know. If you felt like RickJay all along then why didn’t you say that at any point? A simple “of course I’m not saying that JUST BEING GAY and being in the shower with me is an issue, if I don’t know or it’s in no way obvious it’s no problem for me is it?”. In fact any such statement was conspicuous by its absence.
Your completely narrow view on the world aside (hey, you’re entitled to it after all) I find your attempts to paint me as a bad person flinging shit at you because I’ve got a grudge against you pretty fucking low. If anyone is throwing around libelous statements around here it’s you, you utter fuckwit.