If anything, it means that you have a right to do normal, reasonable things (locking a car) in the normal, reasonable place for those things (the parking lot) even if it happens to make normal, reasonable noises while you do it (a noise millions and millions of other cars make by default). Without getting loony-toons letters, probably made out of words clipped from a magazine, denouncing you as a horn-locker.
It’s not normal and reasonable to honk your horn at night when you park your car.
My title has conditions. I do not have water or mineral rights, but it specifically says I have the right to quiet enjoyment of my land. That does not grant me some relief if sound happens nearby and crosses my property line, it means I have the right to do whatever I want on my property as long as I don’t cause a nuisance.
First thing I did with my present car and the two before it was to turn off that fucking honk. Also the headlights that stay on seemingly forever after shutting off the engine.
The noise plays a part of that, but more important, in street-level parking lots and streets, both are magnets for bad guys. Especially for women alone and at night.
This!
I don’t know what’s behind the OP’s full rant, but he has my full sympathy for having to put up with numnuts who honk their car horns every time they par their cars, no matter what time of the a.m. it is. May they suffer from terminal insomnia*!
*Insomnia occurring at the terminating phase of the sleep cycle
It probably depends on where you live. My current lease in Washington state is for one year, and it is written such that with no further action it will end and it is expected that I will move out. I suspect renewing will be the “standard” thing to do, but it’d involve signing another lease.
With such an arrangement the tenant in effect has a year notice of the lease ending. The notice of non-renewal is perhaps just a reminder that the landlord doesn’t like you and has no intention of signing a lease for the subsequent year, so you better be ready to get out when the current year ends in a few days.
My California leases have all been written such that they switched to month-to-month after the year, and in those cases either party would have had to give suitable notice (I don’t recall if it was 30 or 60 days).
Do you really think most people who have cars that default to sounding the horn when locked have actually messed around to change it? I don’t. (Whether it would be a good idea is a separate issue. I think it’s polite to disable it, especially if you’re going to be doing it in a more crowded area at night. But I think it’s an extra politeness and not an obligation. Car-locking noise is a thing you should expect to hear if you live near places where cars are parked, and since many cars default to sounding the horn when locked, it’s just something that you should expect to hear sometimes.)
And how would one hear an alarm clock through these to do such frivolous things as get to a job on time?
My car emits a brief “toot” when I lock it using my key fob.
Heh heh. Your car farts?
No it is not something to expect when a car is locked. The sound of the locking mechanism clicking, or a subtle fart like Ranger Jeff’s car might be expected, but honking the horn is not a necessary or expected part of locking the car and if your car was doing that and waking me up at night I’d sue you and win. If I lived in the next town over I’d call the cops and they’d cite you if you did it again, and hopefully my town will soon have a similar law about noise.
How is a single toot of a horn in a parking lot any different than a single horn toot, in the same parking lot, used to useful ends? ( ie, car backing out of space can’t see approaching car, so driver toots?) or a car on the road using his horn?
I’m not seeing a win for the OP, in court, or with noise ordinances, to be honest.
Just a data point - My 2006 Nissan Pathfinder now toots it’s horn when I use the remote lock feature. And It’s not letting me change it back to just flashing the lights like it used to be. Something is screwed up.
Anyway, drives me a bit nuts so I just use the button on the inside of the door to lock it.
Good morning Forum,
Sorry I haven’t got back to this thread sooner but as you can imagine I have been just a bit busy packing up all my stuff and moving it to a storage unit. Taking pictures of all the stuff I need to sell ASAP.
I appreciate all your comments and I will try fill in the missing details of my life situation at the moment.
I was offered a new 12 month lease in September and at that time because of the noise problem I elected to go month-to-month a pay a very high rent. This type of lease just renews every month and I had plans to move but NOT in December.
I visited at least 10 complexes before I chose this one. The reason I moved here was because the lease and their website stated that they didn’t allow disturbing noise. Also I talked to all the front office support personal and made sure they knew that I was a light sleeper and I had just left a complex in another state where the horn-locking tenants out-numbered the people that were disturbed by honking. So the disturbing tenants got their way and got rid of me. After that I suppose all the folks that I knew that hated the honking were leaving also. This is sort of like how ghettos develop. Anyway I had a verbal contract that the community manager would be on my side if I had car horn complaint before I signed the lease and moved in.
The first 2 years were great. I thought I had found my new home for life. Then all the front office employees that I knew and liked were all gone and replaced. Then we had a different apartment manager every time I went to the office. Then students starting moving in and almost all had laud honking cars like Honda, Jeeps and Escapes and they love this stupid feature and are always returning home half drunk at 02:00 A.M. So now the horn-honking problem had followed me to my new home in Florida.
I will try to keep this short and still hit the highlights of my notes.
I could buy a house but I don’t need or want a house. This is a fairly high crime area and I like a gated apartment community with a lot of eyes to prevent bad things from happening. I sometimes travel for 5 months and I do not want to worry about my stuff back at home.
I have very good Panasonic noise cancelling head phones but I can’t wear them all the time or sleep with them on. I have tried ear plugs and white noise and neither work for me. I have installed noise limiting material over my bedroom window and it doesn’t always work for horns greater than 70 decibels. If I get woke up after 3:00 A.M. I can’t get back to sleep and it seems to ruin my whole day from lack of quality sleep. Then I sometimes fall asleep on the couch and the same car returns home for lunch and wakes me up again. After that I am a very unhappy camper!
For a monthly lease the Florida Statue requires the landlord to give at least a 15 day notice of non-renewal and they gave me 19 days by mail. Also nothing in the Florida law requires the landlord to tell you why they are not renewing your lease. The law favor the landlord and not the renters.
I feel it is very important to learn from every mistake in life. This is the reason I now never talk to people that are disturbing me with their cars. They are nice meeting a new neighbor until you bring up the horn problem and then nice turns to nasty quickly. Been there, done that. They take it personally because they think you are putting down them or their car. The problem is if you talk to them you have now identified yourself and here come the hate! The next night after talking to them they will go out of their way to sound the horn multiple times just to show you they think they have a right to do it and you are not going to try to tell them what to do. I usually have to hind my car so that horn-lockers don’t damage it.
No one likes the NoiseNatzi and especially if what he is saying is true. All I am trying to do is get a good night’s sleep.
The only reason I brought up being a veteran was to stress how importance personal freedom is to me since mine was taken away early in my life when I was drafted into the military. I joined the USAF only because I was drafted into the ARMY. The military is the ultimate experience of having to listen to things you do not want to hear and do things that you do not want to do.
Today I do not want to hear these car horns. I feel that it takes away my freedom live where I want to live in America. Today these horns for convenience are everywhere you go in public and sometimes unfortunately in private.
Sorry I didn’t have time to make this prettier got to go now.
It may be a day or so before another update.
Again, thanks for the comments.
Thank you for reading
NoiseNatzi
A single horn honk is not the same as repeated horn honks.
But isn’t he complaining about the single horn toot some cars make when you lock them with the remote?
He seems to be complaining about it happening frequently. But I’m not really focusing on his complaint, I’m just considering what I’d do if my next door neighbor started doing this at 5AM every morning.
You can rent houses you know … just saying. You can even rent rural or suburban houses so you have a bit if space around you.
Just so we are all on the same page:
Upon pressing the remote lock, either to open or close, the car can give you feedback in one of the following ways:
[ul]
[li]Nothing except the sound of the locks setting if you’re close enough[/li][li]A flash of the lights[/li][li]A chirp or toot of the warning beep system [/li][li]A short burst or two of the actual main horn.[/li][li]A combination of the visual and aural.[/li][/ul]
My car, upon pressing the button to lock simply produces the lights flash with no sound if pressed once. Pressing it a second time in short succession honks the horn. Pressing it to unlock does NOT produce aural feedback.
My mother’s has two distinct chirp patterns on the warning beeper for closing and for opening.
In both cases, the “main alarm” is having the horn begin blaring in a pattern while lights flash and you fumble for what the hell is the sequence of button presses that kills it.
I’ve always found it a PITA to have cars where the locking mechanism ALWAYS feeds back with an actual horn burst. Unnecessary disturbance. OTOH, and unfortunately for the OP, it seems to have been accepted by the general American consensus as one of those noises that “just happens”. Wasn’t resisted in time when first introduced.
Not all cars give you the option of the chirp at all. The only noise is the horn. I find this extra annoying in parking lots. Having a car honk at you as you walk by it just because the person is locking the door. It’s startling.