Homeopathy makes me stabby

There is no damn doubt herbs can contain chemicals that effect the human body, try some opium poppies or hemlock if you doubt that.

I’m sure massages and adjustments from a chiro at least have a possibility of helping back pain.

Acupuncture? Sure sticking a shit load of needles into your skin probably can effect pain tolerance etc.

But fucking homeopathy? ITS FUCKING WATER! I want to grab anyone buying this shit and shake them and scream you can’t be this fucking stupid!

I’m convinced most business comes from uninformed people who don’t know what it means, they see the jargon and words like arnica and the packaging which intentionally apes real meds and assume it must work. It is like a cargo cult version of medicine.

This is the one issue that eats at me, profiting from ignorance.

What gets me are the drug stores that stock homeopathic products in the pharmacy, rather than the water department.

All the evidence thus far shows that, yes, they can be that fucking stupid.

The placebo effect has been proven to not only be a treatment to help certain conditions but also proven to be a cure for some.

Problem is doctors can not legitimately prescribe this cure because it is unethical to lie to the patient as to what they are getting.

Enter homeopathy which solves this quite nicely.

But, but, . . .it’s magic water. It’s been shook!

What makes me stabby is that Samuel Hahnemann, the doctor who invented homeopathy, was actually trying to practice a sort of evidence-based medicine, back when that wasn’t a thing. When he started experimenting with his “like cures like” idea, doctors were still doing things like prescribing carrots for impotence, cause, y’know, and bleeding, and purging people. Hahnemann actually kept notes on treatments, and didn’t use things that appeared to have a statistically null effect.

Of course, just the fact that sick people were being dehydrated and starved by conventional medicine, and Hahnemann’s treatment rehydrated them (not to mention, he allowed them to eat), could have made his treatment statistically much more effective than conventional medicine of the time.

Hahnemann was not a stupid man. But he lived before the germ theory. I think (this is the stabby part) if he came back to life today, and saw the state of modern medicine, learned its scientific basis, and then found out people were still following his theories from 1800, unchanged he would scream “You fools!”

And yes, people are that fucking stupid. I know people who are very picky about their preparations, and know about the “concussions” (the shaking that “tells” the water to remember what it’s exposed to right now as opposed to yesterday, or July 4, 1776), and they are so serious about the tiny amounts, that they scrutinize food labels, lest an ingredient in something cause an “overdose” in a medication, and make it not work.

There are some people who misunderstand the name, and just hear the first syllable, and think “homeopathy” means “home remedies,” like gargling with salt water, but there is a sub-group of cult-like adherents who practically have degrees in stupidity.

Relevant clip from Futurama that sums up my opinions on the subject.

No, Kangen Water is magic. Homeopathy is miraculous medicine! :smack:

What also gets me is when I’m looking for something at the pharmacy, find something that seems reasonable, and then I see “homeopathic” on the box.

The legal loopholes protecting homeopathic preparations need to be removed. I don’t understand why this wasn’t done a long time ago.

Not so nicely, since doing that helps to legitimize quackery that can end up killing people for lack of proper treatment.

Again the placebo effect is not quackery but a proven and effective treatment and cure. But people ahve to believe that they placebo is medicine for that to work.

However to your point, people will either seek traditional medical assistance or alternative methods (or a combination of both). Somehow removing one of them should not effect the tendency of a person to seek out alternative methods.

And if it’s only water the the person is taking in, would not that be better then ingesting unproven herbs or other substances as a treatment if they were not under direct medical supervision?

So your argument falls flat, these people would do it anyway, but you will be denying cures effective treatment to many.

But it does reduce the number of unsatisfied customers.

Homeopathy is useful for dingbat detection. If a person knows how it is supposed to work and still believes in it, they have self-outed as a dingbat (for instance, Dana Ullman).

You can repeat this all you like, but placebos do not cure anything.

They may seem to be effective as treatment for awhile, but if there’s a real physical problem, the effect tends to disappear over time and the patient moves on to new and seemingly effective* placebos, while often losing out on treatment that really might work and also diminish or prevent long-term damage.

It doesn’t matter that much to me if an adult wants to take a homeopathic preparation, if 1) the company selling it is not allowed to make any medical-related claim whatsoever, and 2) health insurers don’t reimburse for it, driving up my costs.

*conditions for which placebos seem to work commonly involve those with symptoms that wax and wane unpredictably (arthritis and M.S. are examples). If you take a homeopathic preparation during the worst of a spell of osteoarthritis, the natural history of the disease predicts it’ll improve somewhat for a period of time, and the user will think homeopathy did the trick.

R. Barker Bausell’s “Snake Oil Science” explains this nicely.

It’s not necessarily just water. I’ve seen some potions that have a high alcohol content.

I think a lot of the manufacturers of so-called “homeopathic” medicine don’t know what the word means.

I used to use a mouthwash for sensitive teeth. It is labeled as “homepathic”.

From the product description

Theradent contains four homeopathic active ingredients that work to help reduce sensitivity without the abrasion or pain of added brushing. Theradent’s alcohol-free formula can reach tooth surfaces and into spaces that might be difficult or painful to reach without a toothbrush. A one teaspoon swish twice a day provides relief and leaves a clean, fresh taste that is not rinsed out.

The primary " homeopathic" ingredient is potassium nitrate - the same ingredient found in Sensodyne toothpaste and judging by the taste and effect of the mouthwash, it contains plenty of it. I think a lot of manufacturers somehow think putting 1x, 6x etc after the ingredients somehow makes it homeopathic. If doesn’t

This is very well put. kanicbird is right, the placebo effect is a very powerful psychological and fysiological effect, and we learn more about it every day. A good use of the placebo effect is much more then what many people here seem to think, that it is just the “the suckers’ therapy”.

So, you’re homeocidal?

I wonder if a knife the size of a bee stinger would be more fatal then a broadsword in this instance?:o

Homeopathic Murder

  1. Take a vat of pure water. Wave a sword through it a couple of times. Now the memory of the sword is in the water.
  2. Get enemy to drink the water.
  3. Profit???

Perhaps, but being shot in the foot is also better than being shot in the head - that doesn’t make either one desirable.