You said “the movement” which, to me, means all the people supporting it. A google dump doesn’t prove anything other than what I already said was true-- that some subset of the group wants to do this.
Link. Since only 12% of Americans think birth control “is wrong”, I think we can conclude that the majority of pro-lifers are also OK with it.
Oh please. Exactly what do 100% of pro-life people agree on? That “abortion is wrong”? Except, of course, when it’s acceptable, to some of them at any rate.
I said “the movement” intentionally, to refer more to the organizations than to the individuals.
I know a lot of people that will swear up and down that they never supported bombing abortion clinics and shooting doctors, either. But that never stopped them from donating money to organizations (directly or indirectly) that used it to promote, support, and defend bombers and shooters.
Many of those 88% belong to or support (either monetarily or politically) organizations that are working to completely eliminate access to the most effective forms of birth control.
If those 88% disagree with the aims and actions of the organizations they belong to, then they can do something about it.
Until then, they’re supporting those aims and actions. Whether they want to admit it or not.
Hey, with something this completely nutty, you gotta try!
Does anyone know why? Is it really because they think that birth control=abortion?
This is exactly the issue we face with the HSUS. I cannot imagine that even 10% want complete elimination of pet animals, or even of farm animals yet every person who donates to the HSUS or PETA is supporting just that agenda. People are sheep - they fall for the carefully crafted advertising and don’t bother to look to see what the organization is really about.
I’m seeing more the horror portion of Fantastic Voyage 2: A Womb with a View
Now. Before the propaganda starts, which would be after they finally outlaw abortion.
There was an article in the Sunday Times Magazine about this a few years ago. The first step for them would be to spread lies about the pill not being safe. And yes, most Catholics disregard the churches teaching on this, but don’t you think the bishops would be all over laws and restrictions to have the government enforce what they can’t convince their parishioners to do?
You might remember that Rick AssJuice put out a little feeler about making birth control rights something the states would control, not something guaranteed by the Constitution.
Yeah, they are a way from rolling out this campaign, but they sure will when the time is right - which I hope it never is.
Indeed, many pregnancies are lost to spontaneous abortion. In generations past when a home pregnancy test was not available at the corner drugstore it is quite likely that many such pregnancies were never identified. It is still the case in some lesser developed countries that pregnancies are not identified as early as in the more developed countries.
Of those pregnancies that are recognized, somewhere around 15-20% end in miscarriage.
The Wikipedia article onMiscarriage notes:
*The term aborted is being used in this case is as a clinical term for loss of pregnancy, which could be spontaneous or induced. In this instance it is referring to spontaneously aborted pregnancies.
That is in line with the statistics I learned in my human genetics coursework. Early pregnancy loss can be viewed as a sort of natural selection process in such cases, where those embryos unable to survive are lost early.
It is still the case even in the most developed countries that many pregnancies lost to early spontaneous abortion are never identified, as noted in the link in my earlier post.
It’s estimated that about 50% of all fertilized eggs or zygotes that are created by the combination of ovum and sperm in a woman’s body never implant in the uterus at all, and their existence is never detected or known, no matter how developed their country of residence is.
Technically, those instances of “pre-implantation wastage” (or in Swanson’s terms, “dead babies”) don’t even count as pregnancies. But of the zygotes that do implant and thus initiate pregnancy, somewhere around one-quarter are spontaneously aborted before the next menstrual cycle. Again, in most such cases the woman never realizes that she had begun a pregnancy at all.
The embryos or fetuses that spontaneously abort after a woman notices or suspects that she is pregnant, which is what we commonly call miscarriage, are very few in comparison to the zygotes that die without anyone ever being aware of the pregnancy. This is true in developed and less developed countries alike.
Let’s pretend what he’s saying is true – wouldn’t one be in excruciating pain?
Wait – Sarah Palin is a feminist? Huh, I’ll be damned.
Your link actually proves the opposite of what you’re trying to say.
It’s always been my sense that what they think is that having sex just because you want to have an orgasm is SINFUL.
Kinda ironic, ain’t it?
I’ve heard all my life that abortion was wrong. I’d never heard that birth control was wrong until I read it in a catechism a friend loaned me for a paper I was writing. Since then, I’ve heard it cited (by a certain subset of Baptists) as one of the reasons that Catholics are evil.
I don’t know guys, he said “some evidence”, “certain doctors”, and “certain scientists.” And… and… he said the word RESEARCH. Seems legit to me.
So …
They want to punish these sinners by making them have children they don’t want?
Or are they so stupid that they think if birth control and abortions were illegal, no one would have sex unless they wanted to create children?
Not really - they are so dumb they don’t realize that PETA wants to “set them free in their natural environment”.
“Texas home schools are considered private schools and are not subject to public school requirements. The only requirement for Texas homeschooling is that children ages 6-17 be taught a written curriculum of reading, spelling, grammar, math and good citizenship in a bona fied manner. Homeschoolers are not required to:
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[li]notify or report to the state[/li][li]use a curriculum approved by the state[/li][li]have specific homeschooling qualifications[/li][li]meet a minimum requirement of days or hours of instruction, or[/li][li]submit to homeschool testing.”[/li][/ul]
And:
"Texas homeschoolers are free to determine graduation requirements for their schools, and there is no minimum age requirement for graduation. State law prevents homeschoolers from discrimination by colleges and universities. "
From Homeschooling in Texas . Apparently, it’s OK to declare that your rug rat has mastered all essential subjects before s/he’s 17.
Smelling salts?
According to Swanson, any woman who has a job and occasionally makes her own decisions is a feminist. :dubious:
How the hell are colleges supposed to know if homeschooled kids are qualified if they can’t be tested?
Read the OP again. One of the favorite little liberal slurs is to refer to conservatives as wingnuts.
I call BS; show me a link.
They’re liberals, they’re being nice.
Some women (I knew one) take a pill regimen that completely suppresses their period.
What does that have to do with speaking for everyone?
Um, the only conservatives being referred to as “wingnuts” in this thread are the ones who actually ARE wingnuts. Specifically, biology-denying misogynist anti-birth-control pig-ignorant fundamentalist-bigot wingnuts.
You are right that it would be inappropriate for liberals to call ALL conservatives wingnuts, but you haven’t got a leg to stand on if you’re trying to argue that it’s inappropriate for liberals to call ANY conservatives wingnuts.