How do you think lesbianism plays into all this? Well over half of all lesbians have children.
This is now the second post you’ve made in reply to my question that did not answer my question, so perhaps you should take your own advice.
If you can find time in your busy schedule to take a look at the dictionary entry I linked above, then definitions 2, 4, 5, 7, and 10 all look to me like they cover homosexuality while not including everything else.
I agree with the OP’s assertion, that the argument from nature is bogus. The main reason is, as someone above pointed out, lots of things are natural but abhorrent, and lots of unnatural things are wonderful. If we let nature be our only guide, we get stuck in some pretty uncomfortable positions. (pun intended.)
I take exception to this point:
By that definition of “natural” everything is natural, and the word loses its meaning. Rather than doom a perfectly good word to usefulness, I’d suggest a meaningful definition.
One useful definition is “that which would exist without the impact of humans”. [By this definition, homosexuality – in animals – is natural.] However, this definition is useless when we’re talking about human behavior. When we step over that line, the meaning becomes very hazy.
Might it mean what we’d do without culture? I say “no,” because I don’t think mankind could exist at all without culture (nor could have many of our direct predecessor species).
Another meaning is, “it’s in our nature.” As one who credits sociobiolgy, I can see myself saying “It’s natural that males are promiscous while females tend to cheat only with higher status males.” Even by this definition, I find homosexuality “natural”: some percentage of the population is likely to be this way, it’s “human nature” just as it’s “animal nature” for some animals.
I’m sure I could come up with definitions where homosexuality is not natural. Who the hell cares?
Au contrare, your practice would allow you to outperform those who only throw rocks when prey are available.
OK, so homos who only do oral are OK. 
I agree. Whether that definition of “natural” has any bearing on the question of whether homosexuality is good or bad is another question, one which Magellan01 hasn’t gone into, and I agree with the rest of your post. I bet Magellan01 does too. Most of the arguments against his claim are beside the point, but rather are simply resisting making an admission against interest. Not that I think it’s really even against interest.
Right.
Right. You guys aren’t really in disagreement, despite contradicting each other, when it comes down to it.
Bingo.
We’re down to another pretty meaningless semantic argument. But it does help illustrate the answer to the OP’s question: why can people use this argument against homosexuality?
I do agree with whoever said above that the main reason they argue against it is because it’s icky, but that doesn’t make very good rhetoric, so they fall back on these semantically open-ended ones. It’s easy to make what sounds like a good point when you’re using words that have so many different meanings.
Because I have no desire to answer a pointless rhetorical question, especially not one made in response to a genuine question. But since you addressed me directly, I still responded. And as much as I hate to play the “you started it” card, I did ask a question first. It was directed at anyone who cares to answer. Since you don’t care to answer, consider it not directed at you.
I’ve already answered your question twice. I apologize if the point of my rhetorical question was too subtle for you*, but I did just provided you with a list of relevant definitions from a widely used English dictionary that’s available for free online. It’s not my fault you can’t be bothered to spend a few seconds reading these definitions.
*That point being that if you’d like a definition of ‘natural’ that includes homosexuality but not everything else, you could try one of the definitions that includes heterosexuality but not everything else.
I know it’s shocking, isn’t it? Lol
I love unnatural things. Being unnatural is not an argument against anything. So what?
29 And as Isayah said before: 2Unless Yahweh of Sabaoth; hosts, armies, had left us a seed, we would have become like Sodom, and we would have been made like Gomorrah.
When the whole world has turned queer, will you believe then?
Remember what the Scriptures say, we are fools not to believe ALL that the prophets have spoken. Luke 24:25
When the whole world is queer, so long as there are still two sexes, and women are willing to do that hard part, then civilization would roll right along. Indeed, it might break apart into two civilizations, one for men and one for women. Bummer for us het-guys, but, what the hell.
As for “all” that the prophets have said, why aren’t Christians following the kosher laws? (And why aren’t you putting to death the guy who mows his lawn on the Sabbath?)
If I throw quotes from Harry Potter at you will you accept them as absolute truth? Same-same.
I’m not one of them.
Second no need to stone that fool who cuts his grass on the Sabbath he is killing his self.
Remember the prophet wrote that the day you break the Torah dying you will die.
This is not instance it take a while but it is as sure as the sun rise.
f I throw quotes from Harry Potter at you will you accept them as absolute truth? Same-same.
It’s unlikely that that’s what he was talking about.
This is absurd and will never happen. And no, I wouldn’t believe you then either.
How convenient.
No, you won’t.
Not as unnatural as something I just thought up, heh-heh-heh . . .
You choosed a good username, because I agree that okie u showed em with that one!!! ill tell u a story. one day, i cut miy grass on fryday after teh sun goes down, and the next mroning, guess how i got woked up from my sleeps?
yes, u got it right. it was a dayariah (spelling?) that awokended me!
let that be lesson for u… do not cut ur grass on the shabbat! if u do, the lord will be angry. and maybe u get sick!
Well shit! Not only am I gay, there’s a 28.571% chance that when I mow the lawn, it’ll be on somebody’s sabbath. And lord knows in how many other ways I’ve broken the Torah. I’m screwed.
That’s what the Jews said when they bombed Pearl Harbor! “Torah, Torah, Torah!”
Have you really been here for six years?
Yes, shit.
Lots and lots of sloppy shit.
According to colander, you can expect to be smitten with a chronic case of the runs, heathen.
Thanks for the apology, but not necessary. As I said, I’m not interested in what point you’re trying to make with your rhetorical question. Please go back and re-read my question:
As you can see, I wasn’t asking for a handy list of dictionary definitions, and I wasn’t talking about heterosexuality. I was, essentially, asking those who would argue homosexuality is natural to describe the definition of “natural” they use to come to that conclusion.
And all the scriptures were written by humans and declared the work of God by humans. That is another humans Idea, I believe Luke was a human.