See the first paragraph of the OP. It goes to the “unnatural” argument he is exploring.
How so?
He is exploring the title of there thread. He says he is “baffled” by the arguments that argue that homosexuality is unnatural. But somehow, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that I think you knew this.
How can you argue that a penis going into a vagina is somehow more natural than a penis going into an anus or going into a mouth? If a penis fits into an orifice than apparently it’s natural.
Now trying to put your penis into somebody’s nose. That’s unnatural.
I’m not trying to be coy, I’m trying to get you to lay out your logic for going from “penis goes in vagina is ‘intended’” to “penis goes in butt is unnatural.” Noting that something is really good at one function doesn’t necessarily denigrate it’s use at some other function.
More precisely, it’s as unnatural as miracles. Walking across (liquid) water, to say nothing of rising from the dead, clearly is not natural – that’s why the accounts of these events make an impression on people.
If you’re referring to lemmings, they don’t hurl themselves off cliffs. That was fiction invented by Walt Disney to flog a movie.
I didn’t say it was unnatural. It’s just not as natural as using the genitalia for the purposes for which they were designed to be complementary. I might be able to walk around on my hands, that doesn’t change why we have feet.
Intent?? There are no “goals” in nature, only processes.
Is there not a goal for the species to continue itself? And that it evolves to do just that?
You said your observation went to the OP’s question, which is “Why do people think homosexuality is unnatural?” So, if you weren’t saying that it was unnatural, what does your post have to do with the OP’s question?
- Because some people hold it to be unnatural. 2) It is not as natural as using the genitalia for their primary purposes. Tell me, do you think that, generally, it is more natural, less natural, or equally naturally for a penis to be in a vagina as opposed to an anus?
Maybe for humans, but the Amazon dolphin is known to engage in blowhole sex. :eek:
According to Wikipedia, Amazon dolphin males have also been observed having gay threesomes (and moresomes) and even gay interspecies sex with tucuxi dolphins.
The argument I’ve heard is that penis in vagina is more natural than penis in anus because the vagina is, in fact, designed to be penetrated by penises, what with the self-lubricating and general sturdiness. The anus, OTOH, needs external (often artificial) assistance in the form of lube.
And how does it evolve? If you go back far enough, our ancestors were asexual protozoa. At some point, they evolved organs to exchange genetic information with each other, and we had sexual reproduction. At some later point, those organs became specialized at either giving or receiving genetic information, and we had gendered reproduction. And so on and so forth down billions of years until we have the human reproductive cycle. At every step of that journey, every single one of those changes were caused by the creatures in question using their genitalia in some unorthodox fashion. If you absolutely must anthropomorphize a blind force of nature and random chance, it’s more accurate (or, rather, less inaccurate) to say that nature “intends” us to constantly try different ways of fucking around, so that we can eventually find better ways of continuing the species.
People think it’s unnatural because people think it’s unnatural? That’s a useful insight.
Equally natural, obviously. Tell me, do you think it’s more natural to piss through a dick, or to use it to fuck a woman?
Oh, please. But lets say this is all true, it still leaves the questions I asked of you:
Tell me, do you think that, generally, it is more natural, less natural, or equally naturally for a penis to be in a vagina as opposed to an anus?
I think the idea is (and not that I’m supporting it) that my male dog goes out chasing female dog tail. All male dogs do. No male dogs in the world want to sodomize him. There might be some insane examples of animal homosexuality, but generally you see animals wanting to mate, not pair bond with the same sex for love. That’s where the argument comes from.
What part of it do you think is inaccurate?
Wouldn’t that make two men in a “69” position the most natural sex possible?