Honeymoon in the NW United States...

…and I need your help!

I’m getting married next July and I’ve volunteered to plan our honeymoon. We’re both young, fairly adventurous nature lovers, and we’ve both always wanted to visit some of America’s amazing national parks, and being from the UK we won’t get that many opportunities. We also like good food, culture and generally enjoy America.

I’ve never been out of the big east-coast cities, and never anywhere near the north-west so I was hoping some kind Dopers might be able to help me out with some general suggestions and answer some questions. We’ve got just over 2 weeks, and I was thinking we could visit Yellowstone and San Francisco and still have some spare time to see other things. We’re happy to do some road-tripping as long as the drive is scenic, but we also have free flights since my fiancee works for an airline so we’ve got a lot of flexibility.

So, is it worth driving between Yellostone & SF? Google says it’s 16-19 hours so I guess we’d do it in four days with nice stop-overs. Would we be better off flying and doing a trip along the coast instead?

Are there any other unmissable parks? Zion has also been recommended, but it’s a fair distance. Somewhere where we can do some adventurous activities like rafting would also be really cool.

Thanks in advance, any other suggestions will be greatly appreciated. With your help I’m hoping I can make this an amazing trip!

Congrats on the upcoming nuptials!

I think you’ll get better results in IMHO, so I’m gonna put the thread on a little road trip yonder.

twickster, Cafe Society moderator

Glacier National Park in Montana is spectacular (we live 45 minutes away), but it’s kind of out of the way. If you decide to visit in July, and you want to stay at one of the amazing lodges in the park. you would need to book now.

Yellowstone in Wyoming is fantastic too, as is Yosemite in California. I love going to the Grand Tetons in Wyoming.

I was originally from SF and I know it’s a top tourist area, but the Bay Area has traffic congestion so be prepared for it taking a while to get somewhere. Muir Woods north of SF is nice, and of course the coastline up to Mendocino or down to Monterey is breathtaking.

It really depends on what you want to see and do. Driving through Oregon is beautiful, as is Washington… Nevada, not so much.

Check out the National Parks website and figure out where you really want to go. If you go to Yosemite you can still spend time in SF. Wyoming, Montana and Idaho are sparsely populated and there’s a lot of driving between attractions, but I think it’s worth it to visit Devil’s Tower in Wyoming if it turns out to be on your way!

Enjoy your stay!

Spend some time reading maps and distances. Your initial thoughts to include Yellowstone, San Francisco and Zion in one post is indicative you don’t know just how far apart those three places are to each other.

Not knowing your travel budget and with only two weeks, reconsider:
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[li]Northern Rockies - Yellowstone, Gran Tetons, Glacier and Devils Tower, etc.[/li][li]Pacific Northwest - Mt Rainier, Mount St. Helens, Mt Hood, the coast, etc.[/li][li]San Francisco[/li][li]Four Corners - Zion, Bryce, Grand Canyon, etc.[/li][/ul]
Pick one of those regions and then start salivating.

Here’s an itinerary that might work. Fly to Las Vegas and rent a car there, drive through Death Valley and up the eastern side of the Sierra Nevada mountains, a few days each in Yosemite and Lake Tahoe, and then finish in San Francisco. That’s still a lot of ground to cover; I did a similar trip a couple years ago and when I turned in the rental car I was amazed I’d put 1,900 miles on it. (I hit L.A., as well, so yours would be less.) Not a lot to do in Death Valley, but it’s a rather impressively desolate place to see. If that doesn’t appeal to you, just do Tahoe -> Yosemite -> San Fran.

The National Park Service tends to keep the actual parks pretty unspoiled. There’s lots of hiking, and some spectacular old lodge buildings, but for activities like rafting you might do better to look outside the parks.

I’ve never been to Yellowstone (I’ve got tentative plans for next spring) but Yosemite is spectacular. I was there after most of the snow in the high country had melted, so the waterfalls were relative trickles. July would probably be better.

If I was going to take a road trip I would fly to Spokane, drive up to Glacier Nat Park, swing down to Yellowstone, circle back through the snake river/hells canyon area and follow the Columbia River towards the coast. After that you have a choice of Mt St Helens/Mt Rainier to Seattle or Portland or driving like hell south and hitting Crater Lake, the redwoods and San Fran.

But to tell you the truth if you have free flights I would do a Glacier, Yellowstone, Hells Canyon loop. Then would reposition with a flight and do a San Fran and the redwoods loop. For all their beauty there are some dead spots in central Washington and eastern Oregon.

Thanks for the hints. You’re right about not really understanding the distances, it’s just on a different scale to what we’re used to.

Tahoe->Yosemite->SF looks like a nice little route though. If only I could fit everything else in too. Perhaps I should try and get a month off instead :slight_smile:

I’ve been to Yellowstone, Yosemite, and Bryce Canyon (which is close to Zion), and all three of those areas are spectacular, and unlike anything you’re likely to see in the UK. I can guarantee you that no matter which you choose, you will enjoy yourself. I would recommend reading up on all of them and deciding which you and your soon-to-be spouse would most like.

I personally would choose Yellowstone, which is mind-blowing for a number of reasons. It has incredible geological activity, beautiful scenery, and the wildlife! Buffalo, moose…prairie dogs. :wink: It’s also pretty remote, however, and if you also want to check out some urban areas, it’s not going to be convenient, although you can stay in some nice hotels in Jackson Hole.

If you want a mix of urban and beautiful scenery, the San Francisco - Lake Tahoe - Yosemite plan would be perfect. Yosemite is pretty astonishing.

But doing all of them in one trip is a LOT. Not impossible, but a LOT. My BF-at-the-time and I drove across the country in 2002 and visited the Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon, and Yellowstone in three consecutive days. Unsurprisingly, this did not give us enough time to explore the parks in any depth, and there was a lot of driving involved, but we did do it.

If you drive north out of San Francisco, you can find Lava Beds National Monument a little ways off the beaten path. It’s pretty deserted most of the time, which is silly because it’s the only cave system I’ve ever heard of outside of the 3rd world where you don’t need a guide and you can touch, explore, crawl into, and generally examine everything. There are no light fixtures, no cement paths, nothing; they’re pristine, exactly as they were found, and you just get to scramble through them with your trusty flashlight and dented bike helmet, getting covered in dirt and having a blast. It’s like being six years old again. This is perfectly OK and not environmentally damaging because the caves are lava tubes and are not particularly old; there are no ancient dripwater formations to destroy with your skin oils, and there never will be, because in a couple thousand years lava will cleanse them again. This is not the most spectacular cave system you will ever visit, but it is the most sheer fun you will ever have in a national park.

The Lava Beds has the added bonus of being relatively deserted most of the time. The popular national parks (especially Yellowstone, Yosemite, and the Grand Canyon) will be quite crowded in July.

You really need to see the redwoods- They’re a real wonder of the natural world and a spectacular experience. However, you don’t need to budget a whole lot of time here, because at some point, it’s just another tall tree. You can spend a week or two here, or just a day, depending on your feelings. Here’s a list of the various places you can see them; I can vouch for Jedidiah Smith, which is extremely pretty.

The Grand Canyon is extremely spectacular. It will be packed in July. Granted, it can handle that a little better than some parks, because it has a roadside-attraction kind of a feel (pull up in your car, snap some pictures, move on), but it’s still not deserted solitude, and some people will be disappointed.

I’ve never been to Yosemite. I’ve heard nothing but good things, with the exception that it’s packed with camera-wielding tourists in July.

Crater Lake is pretty darn impressive. There’s only one, maybe two days worth of stuff to do here, though, so don’t plan on spending a whole lot of time there.

Based on my experience, I’d recommend flying into San Francisco, driving north through Yosemite, some part of the Redwoods, the Lava Beds, Crater Lake, and the Oregon Coast (Oregon’s whole coast is publicly owned and quite pretty. It’s not a white-sand-warm-water paradise, but rather rocky, misty, and imposing. The whole of the coast is covered by Highway 101, a very pretty drive that hugs the coast tightly and just littered with cute little towns. Try Astoria.) and finally flying out of Portland, OR. That’s a very reasonable two-week journey, with plenty of time for, you know, honeymoon stuff.

If you try to hit Yosemite, the Grand Canyon, and Yellowstone in one two-week trip, you’re going to spend half of your time in the car driving. It’s unfortunate, but that’s not a realistic two-week trip.

I don’t know if two weeks is a time-off-work limit, or a money-imposed limit, but you can save a lot of money by camping in the national parks in their campgrounds. They’ve got hot showers and you camp right next to your car. The West Coast is not oppressively hot in the summer because it’s very dry; 90 and dry is really more tolerable than 75 and humid, and of course it cools off a lot at night. The campgrounds are all well-equipped with bear boxes for your food, so it’s very easy.

Your itinerary is doable, but I’d skip the drive from Yellowstone to SF. There are some nice things along the way, but for the most part it is a whole lot of nothing. I’d recommend flying in to Jackson, WY (probably through Denver), spending a couple of days in Yellowstone, then flying to Seattle, renting a car, and spend five or six days making your way to San Francisco on Hwy. 101. That’ll give you a week to spend in S.F. from where you can take day trips to Yosemite, Tahoe, and Sonoma/Napa Valley.

I agree with a split itinerary - One week in the Yellowstone region (include my favorite National Park, Grand Teton), and one week in my hometown of San Francisco with visits to Yosemite and possibly Tahoe. I would definitely take advantage of free flights and fly rather than drive between the two parts of the trip. I think this approach is guaranteed to be spectacular and memorable.

If you have any fears with flying, flying into/out of Jackson airport is not for the faint-hearted.

BlueKayak, is that you? I told her to surprise me with the honeymoon.

If you fly in to San Francisco, you could easily spend 2 weeks just between the Bay Area and Yosemite. If you’re up for a road trip, it’s a good place to start…California has a pretty nice collection of National and State Parks all within 6-8 hours of SF.

Huh? Was that a short runway or something, or just the wrong link? I didn’t see anything wrong with that landing (other than probably coming in too high).

Yeah, it’s not remotely scary. You really don’t get close to the mountains.

That sounds like my sort of thing!

I’d forgotten that the Redwoods were up there too. As nature program junkies that’s pretty damn tempting too. I think flying to Yellowstone and then some travelling up the Oregon coast and some time in SF sounds like a winning combination to me. My partner frequently visits Pheonix, so we can get the Grand Canyon in some other time.

Thank you everybody for your help, you’ve given me plenty to think about.

Sorry, wrong video. On take offs and landings to/from the south there is a ridge of hills. On takeoff the pilot has to pull up hard and gun the engines. On landings from the south the pilot has to nosedive hard before pulling up hard to land.

Yosemite is packed during the summer. It’s one of the most spectacular places on the planet (Yellowstone and the Grand Canyon are also pretty amazing). It also has some terrific redwood groves. You should try to get reservations immediately, if you want to go. As a matter of fact, people usual recommend getting reservations a year in advance, due to the very limited number of campgrounds in the Yosemite Valley, which is where you MUST stay. Perhaps because of the recession, these problems are mitigated. Are you planning on camping or staying in hotels? In Yosemite, there are various levels of accommodations, ranging from the glorious Ahwahnee Hotel to the funky housekeeping camps (canvas tents with wood frames).

In any case, check each of the National Park web sites that you hope to visit and see what the reservation situation is. Try to take the month off. You won’t regret it.

Do go. Of all the things out there, the Lava Beds are a very different experience from the rest of the national parks in the States, and a hell of a lot of fun.