When was this standard created? 
Um… what sense does that make? We’re going to judge her guilty until due process demonstrates her guilt! :mad: Is that really the sort of values that we want to promote? Yes, she may have engaged in domestic violence, but rather than mob rule, lets wait for the facts to come out and have her be judged fairly (or a video to be revealed or for her to admit that she did it… something!).
I think that believing she should be suspended or placed on the US national team version of the inactive list is a reasonable opinion.
But I also think it’s crazy to suggest that the reason she should be placed on that list is because this is the Ray Rice situation, except with a woman, and that nobody is complaining about Hope Solo because nobody cares when it’s a woman doing the abusing (which is what you’re doing when you link to criticisms of those horseshit false equivalences and “just sayings” and paraphrase them as above). Call me crazy for jumping to conclusions about what the subtext is here. It’s like Marley said: if the standard that is the basis for the double standard is that any time a man is arrested and accused of domestic assault, they get put into sports-limbo until vindicated… when was that ever the standard?
NFL players have been punching their partner’s lights out, breaking their noses with head-butts, and choking them and threatening them with assault rifles, allegedly, and it’s only just right now become the policy that they get deactivated after they do so. It’s not unreasonable to say that despite the differences Hope Solo should also be suspended, but it’s not different because she’s a woman - it’s different because it’s different.
Greg Hardy’s terrifying domestic abuse incident happened about a week after Solo’s, and he wasn’t suspended until the second Ray Rice video came out. He actually played in week one. So yes, let’s talk about how outrageous it was that Solo wasn’t immediately suspended. And the NFL still hasn’t answered a ton of questions about its handling of the Rice fiasco- the tape, their process, or anything else. So by all means let’s turn our attention to women’s soccer. There’s definitely no self-interest at play there.
Take a peak at Chamique’s wiki page. She attacked her (ex-)girlfriend’s car with a baseball bat and shot at it. Got 3 years probation. More than just a bit of depression.
And yet, this is probably the first time you’ve heard of it. If a major NBA star (let’s say Magic Johnson) did such a thing, it would be a major national “Breaking News” story, and within a week his reputation would be on par with Mike Tyson or Bobbie Brown.
Are these statements supposed to have anything to do with each other? She could have problems other than depression, but this doesn’t prove anything one way or the other.
I think it is, because like most sports fans, I don’t follow the WNBA. Maybe we can work out some kind of exchange program here: you have to watch women’s sports before you can complain about the lack of stigma for female athletes when they do something wrong. So if you watch once women’s USA soccer game, you can complain about Solo once. If you watch one WNBA game, you can complain about Holdsclaw one time. The more you watch, the more you get to complain. Eventually maybe there will be as many WNBA viewers as NFL viewers and then the riches and the shame will be about equal.
When it comes to sports, I am probably the least knowledgeable person on the boards, and even I know that Magic Johnson has been retired for 20-some years. Maybe you should have said … um … Kobe Bryant. Or that guy who started with the Cleveland team and then moved to a Florida team and last spring went back to Cleveland.
If Adrian Peterson can’t play, Hope Solo shouldn’t be playing either. That is if these things were done on a consistent sensible basis in the first place, which they aren’t. However, I do think Hope Solo should be treated in the same manner by the public as the recent male contestants on Who Wants To Be An Alleged Celebrity Athlete Criminal.
There has to be a “because” here. If Adrian Peterson can’t play, Hope Solo shouldn’t… because they did the same thing. Right?
Did they do the same thing?
I think it is very consistent, if Hope Solo was seen as a threat to the popularity of the sport/league she would be suspended.
Quite recently.
Solo is actively playing, with games over the past couple weeks and games coming up in the next couple weeks.
Domestic abuse has become a national spotlight issue, and rightfully so – if woefully late in the grand scheme of things – and a reasonable new precedent to adopt is to go inactive until your day in court is done.
I can’t tell if you’re saying that I’m misrepresenting the linked articles, or that the linked articles are bullshit. If the latter, agreed. If the former, they explicitly make the argument that it’s not as big a deal specifically because Solo is a woman.
Also, I don’t know why you repeatedly tried to make it seem like I said all domestic violence is the same. Of course it’s not. That would be stupid. “Domestic violence is domestic violence” doesn’t mean “all domestic violence is the same.” It means “all domestic violence is unacceptable.”
Because no non-NFL fans dared to speak out about the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson situations, right?
Explicitly means “fully and clearly expressed or demonstrated.” It doesn’t mean “fictionally.”
The NFL occupies a gigantic place in American culture, and for that matter it’s had a rash of incidents like this recently. Women’s soccer doesn’t, and hasn’t - and for that matter women’s sports in general are a much smaller deal and haven’t suffered from so many of those incidents. So far the only example from an active player is Solo.
Because they did similar things. Similar enough that it shouldn’t look like there is a double standard applied. I should say that the outcome of being allowed to play doesn’t have to be the result of handling these cases in a fair and consistent manner. So to be more precise I would say Adrian Peterson and Hope Solo should be subject to the same treatment in an ideal world even though circumstances may produce a different end result for each of them. A difference in the end result now can’t be described as fair and consistent, it’s arbitrary now.
Well hedged.
Right. They explicitly explain how it’s different because Solo is a woman:
Nice double standard. Only women’s soccer fans can comment on women’s soccer, but everyone can comment on the NFL. Because you’re right, nobody has ever watched the women’s national team. It’s not like it was a huge, massive deal or anything. That’s why nobody has ever heard of Mia Hamm.
“Different” does not mean the same thing as “not a big deal.” You can tell because they’re different words. They’re correct that it’s different, but they don’t argue it’s unimportant or that Solo shouldn’t be punished just because she’s a woman.
Oh noes, am I being unfair to the poow NFL? Maybe I didn’t spell this out clearly enough. I’m saying I don’t have much respect for cries of “double standard!” from people who don’t actually care about women’s sports and are only pretending they do because they want to use Solo’s situation as a distraction from the NFL’s mega-botching of its domestic violence problem. It’s basically an MRA move. I’m fine with suspending Solo, but this is kind of ridiculous.
Who retired 10 years ago.
They’re arguing that Solo should be allowed to keep playing because her domestic abuse isn’t as bad because she’s a woman.
I don’t give a flying fuck about women’s soccer. I care about US national teams. If a US golfer on the Ryder cup team was arrested for domestic abuse, I’d sure as shit want his ass sat down. Same with Olympic teams, or the World Cup team.
But nice to know that you’re a fan of double standards.
Neither of them made that argument. Did you really read the essays? Coates didn’t address that point at all, and Hess only barely went there - she said “Does any of this mean that Hope Solo should keep playing while she awaits her day in court? Not necessarily.” They’re tackling the false equivalence and not advocating against a punishment for Solo.
No kidding? Well I’m sure the other posters in this thread are big fans.