The only caveat is that I’m almost certain that Amazon maintain a customer profile that influences how readily they just take your word for it and bend over backwards to resolve the problem with minimal hassle. And I’m quite happy with that, because I know some people are dicks, and I don’t want to be paying for the fact that other people take unfair advantage of good customer service. I don’t unreasonably abuse their return policies, and when other things are equal, I buy big ticket items with high margins (e.g. cameras/lenses where Canon enforces the same price everywhere) from Amazon, so I know that I’m always a profitable customer for them.
I ordered a $389 item that arrived fine,but once uncrated turned out to be the wrong item. I looked at the page online and determined that there was actually an error in the listing. Via Amazon Chat I showed the rep where the error was. I wanted to return the item and was trying to get them to accept the return and maybe even pay half the shipping.
Instead, the rep told me it was the companies’ fault. She told me I could keep the item, use it, donate it, whatever and she shipped out the correct item.
Retail stores do the same thing. There are companies that track how often you return stuff, and if you’re perceived as a serial returner, they may start declining to accept returns from you.
Back when I worked at a CfA store in high school, it was peanut oil. That was forty years ago, though.
I have no idea whether CfA is halal, or kosher.
Can also add that the kitchen and other spaces the public doesn’t see were immaculate.
It’s not just the type of oil. I’m pretty sure that there are rules for how the animal is slaughtered to determine if it’s halal.
There’s an argument to be made here that this thread is just about rationalizing the shady shit corporations do because it’s convenient to use their products and services.
That’s different than not being offended by what everyone else is offended by.
I’m not sure which the OP is going for.
The closest I can come is Amazon. I do think they are basically evil, particularly in their treatment of warehouse workers, but I use their services because they are convenient and have eliminated most local competition. I can’t even find stuff I’m looking for at retail stores anymore. However, I think an argument can be made that significantly lowering the price of household goods is of great benefit to society. Whether that outweighs the negatives, I’m not sure.
That is correct, just like the way there are rules for kosher slaughter.
And Googling, some of the distributors used by CFA can provide halal chicken. Some articles said that some CFA franchises claimed to offer halal chicken.
I’m looking for companies that everyone else hates claiming crap-ass service/product/etc. that you love because in your experience they are a great company. I don’t think Amazon qualifies because everyone love them even if they don’t agree with their policies and methods.
Ok. I am not approving of Nestle and how they push formula in developing countries, but it also makes me absolutely batshit when that narrative is always told as if the women involved are complete idiots who were totally duped, and that they only reason anyone would ever use formula is if they were manipulated into doing it. Women are not stupid. Breastfeeding is HARD. It puts great demands on your body, and limits your freedom tremendously. It is perfectly logical for a woman, especially a woman who has to do physical labor daily and/or has many other children or family members who need care, to want to off-load the task. And women know that their milk will dry up if they do not nurse.
Yes, pushing sub-standard formula, or pushing formula in areas without a safe water supply is horrible and evil. But every documentary about this I have seen has had a smug dude saying 'And the crazy thing is, they convince women to use formula even though they make something better that is totally free! Can you imagine?". Breastfeeding is not free and safe, high-quality formulas are one of the best inventions in history.
Thank you. It ranks up there for me with birth control in terms of women’s lib and probably saved my life. The breastfeeding industry overstates its medical case by exaggerating the evidence and is driven by religious organizations who believe women should fulfill their “natural biological purpose” and be tied to the home. (La Leche League.) I had a nightmare of a time with the nurses after I had my son and their reluctance to let him have formula probably led to his jaundice.
But then again you have my DIL that has decided on formula out of convenience. I can’t believe the crap that is in that stuff. At least the one she picked, YMMV.
Oh, I see. You want to sidestep the issue of morality altogether.
I tend to use products that others recommend and that are highly rated. If most people think something is dogshit I generally avoid it.
I did buy an LG Fridge in a desperate bid to get one ASAP, which I later found out doesn’t have shining reviews. But I really like it so far.
Yep. I want the companies that you love even if their products are so bad, they give everyone else cancer (to quote Calculon)
Explain to me the “crap in that stuff”. Formula is intensely regulated. While you are at it, can you explain why it’s your place to decide what amount of pain and discomfort your daughter in law should be willing to endure? How do you know what it’s like for her?
I nursed for seven months I deeply regret not stopping for the sake of “convenience”. The two hours a day I spent on the pump would have been so much better spent with my actual child, or doing my job. If I had been able to sleep in a 6, or god help me, an 8 hour block, even a few times a week, I would have been a better mother. If at the 8 hours a day I was at work, I could have just focused on work–instead of using my lunch and planning period every day to pump–I would have been a happier, better teacher who didn’t constantly feel like they were torn between their students and their obligations. But I kept doing it, despite my gut feeling it was a mistake, because I felt everyone else in the world, including the family I needed support from, would have negatively judged me for putting my own “convenience” ahead of the baby.
Formula is fine if you have clean water. Breast milk is marginally better at the population level, but it amounts to something like one more child out of five having one episode of gastrointestinal distress, or one more ear infection throughout the entire course of their childhood. It doesn’t make much difference at the individual level. Most of the claims around breastfeeding being some magical panacea are lies pushed by an industry that is at least partly driven by an explicit desire to force women out of the workforce.
It’s fine for a woman to use formula out of convenience.
So I guess my contribution is: formula! Fuckin’ rocks. Never mind the haters. I used some organic kind, not because I’m that precious but because that’s what they started him on in the hospital and I didn’t want to complicate things.
I was lucky I got a lot of support for my decision from family and friends. I sense there’s a bit of a backlash growing. I staunchly reject the notion that women should sacrifice their physical health and their own sanity out of some nebulous, scientifically unfounded idea that it’s better for the baby. You know what’s better for the baby? Happy, healthy Mom. And assuming the baby is healthy, Mom gets to decide for herself what that means.
Once I figured that out, I was able to be much more present with my son.
I’m sorry you felt pressured into it.
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Explain to me the “crap in that stuff”. Formula is intensely regulated. [/quote]
Corn syrup solids, cow milk whey, vegetable oil.
I never said it was my place to decide but that doesn’t mean I can’t believe she can make a better choice. Oh, and why do you assume it’s about her discomfort and pain? She has an opportunity to get breast milk (she doesn’t produce much milk) from a trusted source and refuses to because to store breast milk it has to be frozen or chilled then warmed up to the correct temperature. She would rather have the convenience of heating water up to a specific temp (controlled by the kettle) then pour it over two scoops of formula.
For whatever it’s worth, I didn’t really realize I was being pressured, and I don’t think the people pressuring me had any sense that we would. It’s just there is so much toxic positivity associated with nursing that I really had no idea how rough it can be. I think that’s why I get so mad when dudes express an opinion on the matter, even when they are attacking Nestle for pushing formula in areas that have no clean water, which is clearly a bad practice. The messaging just so makes it seem like nursing is no big deal, and I can’t stand it when people confidently pass on that messaging from a place of ignorance.
And why do you think this is a bad choice? What bad outcome do you think will occur?
Again, formula is intensely regulated and highly processed.