There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling the President of the United States a liar while he is addressing a joint session of Congress. It’s not even to be disapproved.
Wilson owed an apology not only to the President, but also to the House of Representatives, which he refused to do.
I hope you’re ashamed of yourselves for putting party over propriety, and I hope the people who voted you into office are ashamed of you too.
I can only assume that the 17 Democrats who voted “No” or “Present” did so because they are gleefully licking their chops at the future potential of calling a Republican President a liar from the floor of the House, and they should be ashamed as well.
I propose the formation of the “Joe Wilson Brigade”, consisting of one unique, anonymous citizen per day who enters the public gallery, and shouts out “You LIe!!” when Joe Wilson has the floor. Each would be subject to what ever punishment is due for such behavior, but a new citizen would take his place each and every day until Wilson apologizes.
I think that if the GOP didn’t join in then there was no point of the censure. It’ll just make the Dems look like hypocrites when they have to start retaliating. Bi-partisanship is gone. It’s time for the Dems to get some balls and start acting like they are in the majority. If the south doesn’t want the govt in their lives lets call them on it. No more hurricane relief, no more textile tarries, and no more levees.
Uh, already happened. So I don’t know who you’d call the paving crew here.
To recap, when a Democratic representative called President Bush a liar from the House floor in 2007, he faced a censure resolution himself. He apologized - in this case to the House and not to the President. The Democratic Party ensured that the motion was tabled.
Frankly, I don’t think censure was appropriate here either - admonishment would have served well. Save censure for the important stuff. I said in another thread that McCarthy was censured - do we want to equate this little tiff to what he did?
Rollcall tally: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll699.xml
The Republicans came down hard on the side of incivility as a conservative value.
With luck, they’ll run with it as part of their platform come 2010 and 2012.
Yes, very comparable. A Democrat did not call Bush a liar during a Presidential address to a Joint Session of Congress, and that Democrat apologized to the House for calling Bush a liar during debate on the floor of the House. I can see how you could mix up the two occurences.
The motion was not for censure, nor was it for admonishment, it was for disapproval.