Housework...

I have read Home Comforts. It’s excellent, and as soon as I have the extra money I’m buying a copy. Nevertheless, I still find houswork annoying, because I really enjoy the sense of completing something, and knowing I will have to do the exact same thing again tomorrow kind of bothers me.

As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, I live in an extremely small apartment with my husband and two cats. Things get messy almost instantly after tidying.

About housework division- I have a lower dirt tolerance than Mr. Lissar does, so I will clean things before he’d be willing to, given that he also hates houswork. It creates a certain tension, because I don’t think my lower tolerance means that I ought to do all of it. I haven’t figured out a solution quite yet. Talking hasn’t gotten us anywhere. He acknowledges the problem, but doesn’t seem to have the motivation to do any more.

And he just broke his hand, so he’s out of doing dishes for the next while. Twit.

Misstee, if I wash your dishes, will you vacuum my rugs? Please?

I honestly like washing dishes by hand. Something about having my hands in hot soapy water turns my muse on. Plot tangles smooth out and my characters stop being tongue-tied and my climactic scenes develop multiple O’s. :slight_smile:

But vacuuming – that sounds simply drives me insane. I feel like imitating the cats and hiding under that bed. :frowning:

I generally do the vacuming, the laundry, the dishes, yard work and shopping.

Am I whipped, or what?

My husband does the housework. When we were first together, we shared it, everyso often making a list of all the chores, giving them weights for nastiness and time they took and took turns picking chores. There were chores I had to do, because I did not work and he would not have time to do them, such as all the laundry, by hand. I hated it, but it was the only solution at the time. Ever wring out bathtowels by hand and then hang them up to dry outside in the winter?

After I started working full time, he took over the housework. I love it, I love him and I know how lucky I am. He is now a stay at home daddy and happy to be one.

Think about it in a different way. In my house, vacuuming the rug is my responsibility. I do it Saturday. Any other day of the week, I have no vacuuming to do. On the day I must do it, once it’s done, it’s done, and I’m relieved of that duty for another week.

I do the white clothes, because 90% of them are mine. When I see a few dirty pieces of clothing in the basket, I don’t think that I have more laundry to do, I think I don’t have laundry to do. You see, by my way of thinking, as long as we both have enough clothes to wear tomorrow, there’s no need to do laundry today.

Apply this basic idea to other chores, and you make your life much easier. If we have enough dishes for tommorrow, and there’s room in the dishwasher, we don’t need to run it today. If you don’t have a dishwasher, leave the dishes in the sink and do them every second or third day. They won’t explode in the meantime.

Doing this reduces your housework to only one big chore a day. Dishes today, laundry tomorrow, vacuumining the next day.

As to forgetting how to do housework, I think it may simply be a matter of differing priorities. My last girlfriend before Mrs. Six made exactly the same claim; that I never helped out with the housework, and she had to do everything.

This simply wasn’t true. We simply had different time table for doing the housework. When living alone, I vacuumed the house once a week, did the dishes, about once every three to four days, and did laundrey whenever I ran out of clean clothes, which was about every 10 days. Dusting I did about twice a month, mopping and throughly cleaning the kitchen or bathrooms once a month.

She thought that the carpets should be vacuumed every day, the dishes done after every meal, and the laundry washed twice a week. Dusting, mopping, and cleaning kitchen/bathrooms should be done once a week.

You can, I trust, see the problem. Given the difference in how often we did things, she ended up doing all of the housework, because it never went undone long enought to reach the point where I thought it needed to be done.

Now before you jump in and say I should have compromised, I tried. We agreed to split the chores, with me doing the vacuuming, dusting, and cleaning the bathrooms, and half the cooking. But she refused to allow me to do my chores on my schedule. If I didn’t do them at the times she would have done them if they were her chores, she did them anyway.

It didn’t matter what the chores were. We tried having the laundry be my chore. As I said, my feeling is that if we have clothes for tomorrow, the laundrey doesn’t need to be done. Yet she would start dropping hints after three or four days:
“The colored hamper’s getting full.”
“Yes it is.”
“Are you going to be doing the laundrey soon?”
“Do you have clothes for the rest of the week?”
“Yes, but that’s not the point.”
“Sure it is. Tell me when you need somtheing that’s dirty, and I’ll do the wash”
At this point, she would wash the clothes herself. She had this weird thing about having the clothes lying crumpled together in the hamper for more than a few days was somehow harmful to them.

Cooking went the same way. When it was my turn to cook, she wouldn’t relax in the living room while I made dinner, she’d follow me into the kitchen and watch to make sure I did things “right”, often taking over before I was half finished.

I was willing to compromise and do half the housework. She wasn’t willing to compromise and let me do it my way, in my time. I didn’t insist that she use my schedule, she shouldn’t have insisted that I use hers.

To hear her tell it, I became a slob who never did any housework the moment she moved in. That she was unwilling to let me do the housework doesn’t enter the equation in her mind.

With Mrs. Six and I, the housework was split when she is working or going to school, and, lo and behold, my chores get done on a regular schedule. The floors get vacuumed, kitchen and bathrooms cleaned, furniture dusted, and whites washed. And the house is always presentable.

Hmm…you have a point. But aren’t labs great? I’d have thought, though, that Rusty the golden would be the worse shedder of the two. He’s not. The dog hair that ends up everywhere around here (downstairs there’s only carpet in the den, which has made the hair easier to sweep up) is distinctly blond, though Rusty is a very red golden.

I’m on the other side, Number Six. I end up doing the housework my husband is supposed to do because he does it on a different schedule. Like you, he believes if we have enough dishes for tomorrow, the dishes don’t need to be washed yet. Unfortunately, he also believes that the dishwasher doesn’t need to be emptied until it’s time to do a load. Which means those dirty dishes fill the sink and take up all of the counter space. He also belives floors don’t need to be mopped more than three or four times a year, and that cabinet doors and walls never need to be cleaned.He says he’ll do the ironing- but he won’t do it until someone actually wants to wear the clothing. Sounds okay- except that when I finally break down and do the ironing that’s been piling up for weeks or months, we both discover garments we forgot we owned. And it means that there is always a basket of clothes waiting to be ironed in the living room. By the time he finally gets around to tying up the newspapers and boxes for the weekly recycling collection, they’re piled so high I’m afraid they’re going to fall over. You might not be as nearly as relaxed as he is , but when I complain about getting stuck doing his chores, the response I get is basically that he was going to do it and I didn’t give him a chance. Sure I didn’t give him a chance, but it’s not because I believe dishes must be immediately washed after every meal, or that floors must be mopped every week whether they need it or not. It’s because while he apparently has no problem living with a perpetual basket of ironing in the living room, a four foot high stack of newspapers and a kitchen full of dirty dishes with a sticky floor, wallls and cabinets , I do have a problem with it.

LilyoftheValley, I don’t think it matters what colour of carpet you have. We have a lovely dark brown shag in the living room (yes, it is getting torn out when we can afford new carpet), and a grey kitty who rolls all over it. The cats seem to be able to produce the most contrasting hair colour at will for clothes and carpets.

My husband and I both seem to be able to ignore chores indefinitely. I do housework like you, Number Six. Things get done fairly regularly, and then they’re done and forgotten until the next time to do them.

One of the best things I’ve discovered for getting rid of housework is inviting my mom over. :smiley:

Oh gawd, *Number Six, don’t tell me you’re one of those “let it pile up till you can no longer move freely and then shovel your way out” guys. If so, then your ex was right. You are a slob, and your timetable for housework bears this out. (Cleaning a guy’s bathroom once a month? Eeeeeewwwwww.)

I’d be willing to wager that her issue with the laundry, etc. wasn’t that she wanted to make sure you were doing it “right”, it was that watching the mess pile up around her was driving her utterly batshit and she just couldn’t stand it anymore. So she did it herself. And you, instead of saying, “No, it’s my job, I’ll do it” and maybe negotiating to do it tomorrow or the next day, you sat there and let her do it. (I’d also consider a side bet that you then got huffy about her doing it.)

Just FYI, doing your fair share of the housework ain’t a compromise. It’s no more than you ought to do. A compromise would have been you doing the laundry every week (less frequently than she wanted, but more frequently than you wanted), or doing the dishes once a day. It sounds like you’re every bit as inflexible as she was, insisting on doing everything your way and on your timetable or not at all.

For a lot of people, mess is a psychological stressor. It sounds stupid, but I started sleeping better when I started making my bed every day. It changed the vibe of the whole room and made it a more relaxing place to be, and that made it easier for me to fall asleep and stay asleep. The drop in my tension level was amazing. Messy surroundings can also be depressing surroundings. One of the most insidious things about depression is the dirty house cycle. The more depressed you are, the less you feel like dealing with the house, and the worse the house gets, the more depressed you are, so you feel even less like dealing with the house. That was almost certainly the root of her timetable for housework. It wasn’t that she felt lying in the hamper would damage the clothes, it was that having all that mess building up around her (and by extension, all that work hanging over her head) was stressing her out.

I had to have this same discussion with Dr.J, after he got cranky about me putting away his sandwich stuff, over an hour after he was done eating. He was “getting around to” putting all the stuff away, and he didn’t want me picking up after him. That’s all peachy, except that I know what “getting around to it” means. It means that whatever it is will sit there, in my way and getting on my nerves, for a time ranging from three days to three months, until either he can’t stand it anymore, I insist that he do it RIGHT NOW, or I get fed up and just do it myself. The third option seems to be the most popular of the three. It’s generally a lot easier to just do it myself right away, before it has a chance to cause me all that stress and hassle. He gets the choice of doing on my timetable without bitching about it, or letting me do it, but he does not get the option of getting pissy because I got sick of waiting for him to get around to it.

And the number three thing that couples fight over - HOUSEWORK! (Numbers one and two being money and children.) In my opinion, anyway. If you’ve got cites that say different, please feel free to trot them out.

I agree with you to a point, crazycatlady. Not everyone has the same stressors, though. My thing is a clean kitchen and a made bed. Everything else is up for grabs, but the bed gets made every day and the kitchen gets cleaned regularly (usually a couple times a week). My husband may want different things cleaned more often, and he is more than welcome to clean anything he wants around here.

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About housework division- I have a lower dirt tolerance than Mr. Lissar does, so I will clean things before he’d be willing to, given that he also hates houswork. It creates a certain tension, because I don’t think my lower tolerance means that I ought to do all of it. I haven’t figured out a solution quite yet. Talking hasn’t gotten us anywhere. He acknowledges the problem, but doesn’t seem to have the motivation to do any more.

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Have you tried compromising? You say that your lower tolerance means that you have to do all of it. That doesn’t sound like an attitude of someone willing to compromise. Why does your tolerance get to dictate when things should be done? They shouldn’t, any more than his tolerance should.

When my X lived with his sister, this was a constant source of tension between the two of them. She was a clean freak. She’d mop the floors and vacum every day if she had the time. I think that unless you’ve got potentially fatal allergies or track mud in and out of the house daily, there is no need to vacum and mop every damn day. My X wasn’t a slob, but he was nowhere near her level of clean. It got so bad that they’d be screaming at eachother more often than not. Thing was, he was totally willing to compromise, but not willing to completely adapt to her method of cleaning, understandably. Not many people would. She, on the other hand, was totally unwilling to compromise. It was her way or no way. No wonder she never lived with any roommate longer than a few months.

I live by myself and have subscribed to the “clean the apartment once a week and forget about it for the rest of the week” cleaning schedule. Dishes go straight into the dishwasher after I use them so there’s no dishes in the sink. Dishwasher gets run when it’s full. Laundry gets done when I’m wearing my obvious “I so need to do laundry” outfits. Kitchen and bathroom floors get mopped once a week as does vacuming and dusting. Place stays fairly presentable. My apartment is teeny so it never takes me more than a couple hours a week to thouroughly clean it. My compromise with myself is that I don’t worry about it getting crazy messy during the week as long as I never slack off with cleaning it on the weekends (I have a tendency to be a bit of a slob). It’s worked thus far.

I tried that, but Mrs. St. Cloud didn’t respond the way I anticipated, and the dog hid in the downstairs bathroom for 2 days.

Nope. My house has always stayed presentable, even when I was living alone. I throw my trash in the trash can, laundry in the hamper, and put the dirty dishes in the dishwasher. Nothing ever piled up.

Cleaning the bathroom thoroughly (scrubbing the soap scum from the shower door, mopping the floor, polishing the fixtures, etc.) once a month is plenty often enough if you don’t make a mess of it in the first place, and do a minute or two of maintenance cleaning every day.

The only thing she wouldn’t let me do because I didn’t do it “right” was the cooking. Everything else was a result of differences in scheduling.

There was no mess, and it wasn’t “piling up around her”. The laundry was placed neatly in the clothes hampers, one for whites and one for colors. That is what the clothes hampers are for, for storing dirty clothes until it is time for them to be washed. She genuinely believed that letting dirty clothes set in the hamper for too long damaged them in some way.

We split the chores in half. That was a fair division of the work. We each had a schedule on which we felt certain chores should be done. That was where the compromise comes in. If I were as inflexible as you say, I would have insisted that she use my schedule for her chores. I didn’t. I used my schedule for my chores, and she used her schedule for hers. This seems to me to be a reasonable compromise. She was the one who would be inflexible, insisting that I do my housework on her schedule.

That makes perfect sense to me. If she had been depressed to the point that the work didn’t get done at all, I would have ended up doing all of the housework, because then it would have gone undone long enough to reach my timetable.

No, she was just a clean freak who insisted things be done her way, and only her way. There was no mess building up around her, it never got the chance. And what’s more, if she had let me do things on my schedule, there still would have been no mess building up.

I sympathize, but it sounds like you are redirecting your annoyance at your SO onto me. I never said that it upset me that my girlfriend did my chores when I didn’t do them on her schedule. The source of the conflict was her complaining about my not doing the chores I was quite willing to do if she would only let me do them on my schedule.

My husband likes a clean and tidy house. His mother was, and is, a cleanup freak. I am not. Ever. I have high laundry and kitchen sanitation standards, but dust and clutter takes a long time to bother me.

The disconnect early on was that he was used to *having * a clean house, but not used to *making * a house clean. Lordy, the arguments we’ve had! To make things more complex, he has definitely never been one to explicitly believe in inequality of the sexes, and never specifically said such things were “women’s work.”

Anyway, things are much better since he retired, and I am still working. Once since he retired – just once – he made a comment about the house not being clean or tidy enough. “Well, dear,” I responded sweetly, “You have it in your power to do something about it, don’t you?” Of course, now he’s learned that there are so many things to do that seem more important at the time: having lunch with your pals, going to Home Depot for “stuff,” going to the library, traveling, taking a nap, learning how to use the CD burner to make CDs off your old 33s…

In regards to which pet is the worst, the answer is a two-tone pet. Specifically a pet with pitch black and snow white fur. This way, you never win. You wear dark colors and the (stark) white ones show up. You wear light colors the coal colored ones show up.

You just don’t win.

It’s not just chance, you know. My black-and-white cat used to specifically shed his white furs on dark things and vice-versa. The only defense is to buy carpeting and clothing that is the same color(s) as your pets.

I do most of our laundry, all of our dishes, all of our household shopping, most of the cooking and a large share of the housekeeping chores. I have a simple method for doing those things in a timely manner: Marcie tells me what to do and when to do it. I do it when she tells me to, and we get along famously. YMMV.

If you do my dishes, not only will I vacuum for you, but clean your bathroom as well. :slight_smile:

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originally posted by lezlers
Have you tried compromising? You say that your lower tolerance means that you have to do all of it. That doesn’t sound like an attitude of someone willing to compromise. Why does your tolerance get to dictate when things should be done? They shouldn’t, any more than his tolerance should.

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We do compromise. I ask him to do certain chores, and I generally try to wait until he does them. The real problem is that (as I mentioned above) we live in a studio apartment with two cats, and so if the dishes aren’t done very regularly there’s no room for cooking. It’s a closet-type kitchen, with no counterspace, and the sink is really small.

So the dishes have to be done at least once a day, or there isn’t any room to make the next meal.

The cats (orange and white, and black and brown) shed a lot, and they kick litter all over the floor, and that’s gross and uncomfortable to walk on, so ideally the litterbox area needs to be swept or vacuumed once a day. Otherwise it gets tracked everywhere.

I’m not a neat freak. If we had more space I would be delighted to leave the dishes for days, if I could still have room to cook. I think most of my lower tolerance comes from being the one who does the cooking. Mess severely hampers my ability to feed us.

Becuase he doesn’t cook, the undone dishes don’t have as direct an effect on him.

I have a lab and a peke-a-poo and we lived in joyous harmony and relativecleanliness …till the day my newly divorced brother came to live with me - and his three year old whom he has joint custody of. Now it’s NONSTOP cleaning, picking up, cooking, washing dishes… and he doesn’t even pay me anything. ( long , horrid story, but he isn’t financially able to) Lordy- it’s like I am married without any of the fringe benefits. And like a jackass I got my niece two little mice and one just had babies. Now I got the mice cages to clean. I told my brother someone had to go - and it aint gonna be the animals or the kid.
Actually he has started washing the dishes which I REALLY hate. I don’t really mind him being here, but I really miss living alone . Just me and my doggies. sniff