Housing: why own when you can rent?

" Real estate is one of the best form of investment."

Naw, it’s not very liquid. Plus in my area, prices fell about 35-40% from 2000 to 2003. Even in Carmel, California, in one year, prices fell nearly 50%. BTW, before you mention those are just average prices, some of these houses are the exact same house bought & resold…

(I worked for a local real estate company for 6 years :slight_smile:

California Pines, on the other hand, is a very interesting real estate investment project. You can buy almost an acre for $10,000 & with a house about $50,000 (?) more (Prices might be up a bit). You can see Erik Estrada talking about it on infomercials.

Owning = no landlord to kick you out on a whim. :wally

Renting: Every year the rent goes up. After 15 or 30 years, you still pay rent–rent that has gone up every year.

Buying: Every year the mortgage payment is constant (although insurance and taxes can go up). After 15 or 30 years, the mortgage payment disappears.

I currently live in an area where I would NEVER buy a house or a condo. For one, the prices are insanely high for anything within a half-hour commute to the downtown core. Especially when you consider that damn near everything built in the past two decades leaks!

Unfortunately, I’m entirely serious. Just about every high-rise, condo, or low-rise built in the past twenty years in Vancouver leaks, and there is no accountability. This is because Vancouver has a unique thing going on called pre-sales; people buy homes on spec, before they’re even built, and the numbered company that builds the place dissolves after the warranties expire (so if a problem comes up in 6 years, there’s no one to sue).

Now some people have been saying that houses always accrue in value, which is patently false because they’re ignoring the math.

When you buy a house you have to take into account your mortgage interest rate. How many people were paying through the nose during the 80s and 90s? If you bought in a ‘high’ period, you’ll almost certainly lose money if you move during a buyer’s market.

House repairs? Maintenance? That new roof? Taxes?

There are a lot of hidden costs in a house that many people refuse to accept as part and parcel of the deal.

I rent right now, but I look forward to the day I can own my own home, for all the reasons listed above.

The reason I haven’t gone ahead with it now are important, though. I’m still a student, and live paycheck to paychck. Until I can have a few grand tucked away in a rainy day fund (not to mention a good-sized down payment), I won’t buy.

I’m also waiting until the kids are old enough to mow the lawn :slight_smile:

First off, I agree with all of the previous posts singing the praises of home ownership. There are disadvantages, but frankly once you own your property, doing repairs and yard work becomes a matter of pride more than inconvenience.

Having said that, I must warn ANYONE away from purchasing a condo, especially one that was built in the last 10-15 years. They are built like apartments (read: cheaply) and sold like homes. On average, condos do not accrue value like single-family homes do, and although your association dues may be set by contract, special assessments are not. I used to be a construction lawyer, so from experience I can tell you that the way those things are built, you are almost guaranteed to have a special assessment related to major repairs to the common areas. The size of those assessments may not be the problem, the unpredictability of them is. They always come up when you can’t afford them, and you never know when it will happen.

In short … buy property, but make sure it’s a house.

Another thing to consider is that the best way to accumulate real wealth is by owning property, and lots of it. If you own a house in the right range (3 bedroom, 2 bath, relatively middle class), don’t sell it. Rent it to someone and keep leapfrogging from house to house. Within ten years, you could have five rental properties and a nice supplemental income that is (relatively) tax free.

just to add to Reckless Humor’s sage advice, the only thing worse than owning a condo is owning a timeshare.

If you must live in apartment like conditions, buy a duplex or buy an apartment building. Live rent-free in one unit, have the other units pay for most, if not all, of your mortgage payments.

Depends on the complex and the location. The condo complex we live in was built in 1965 as apartments, then converted in the '80s. The going rate for our 2BR 1½BA has nearly doubled since I secured a mortgage three years ago.

BTW: houses around here start in the low $200s and chances are anything in that range is at least fifty years old.

I’d love to just buy an apartment building. How does someone with no money go about doing so?

In my area you can get a 1 bedroom for about $750-900. Now, if you bought a one bedroom, your payment would be around $1,800 -$2,400 a month.

Some people buy a two bedroom for $800,000, spend maybe $75,000 to remodel it (which with the permit process here can take three years & no water available for expansion) & get a 2 bedroom house for $875,000. For that much, the monthly payment would be around $6,500…

They are supposed to put in affordable homes too. But the latest project they are creating in Seaside has homes starting at $505,000 each.

Good lord! Remind me never to move where handy lives!

leverage and good credit. defer the first payment of the loan until you collect the rents. You borrow a second mtg based on the apartment building to pay for any negative difference between the 2 mortgages and the rent collected, tax benefits pay for most if not all of the negatives at the end of the year. Raise the rent the next year to match what you pay in mortgages and maintenance. Survive that for a few years and you’ll be a succesfull landlord and you can repeat as many times as you like.

I looked into buying about six months ago when my building was sold to a new owner who wanted a no-pets building. I currently live in a 2-2. The BEST I was going to be able to do was double my monthly payments to go into a 1-1. And that didn’t even include the fact that repairs would now come out of my pocket. And that would be for a large condo complex - another step down in my opion for all the reasons already mentioned above. At least right now I live in a fourplex.

Thankfully, since I was a long-term tenant prior to the new owner, with no late rent or problems reported by the selling owner, they grandfathered my cats and I’m still here.

First off, my credit sucks big red monkey ass - there is no way I would even be able to qualify my dollar in the vending machine at work, let alone buy real estate.

Down the road when my credit is better, I still don’t see the advantage to buying a house. I am 35 years old and I live in a great apartment with all appliances in a new, safe, secure, well-landscaped complex with a payment well within my budget. I enjoy living here, and not having to worry about maintenance, lawn care etc is a big plus.

shrug to each his own. For me, it just doesn’t make sense.

If you’re paying income taxes in the U.S., I’d like to thank you, heartily, for subsidizing my housing costs! (The U.S. tax system heavily favors people who are making mortgage payments.)

I bought my house 10 years ago. My house cost $57K It’s small, only 1000sq ft, but it has three bedrooms and I’m single - I don’t need much room. My yard is just under an acre. My house payment is less than $400. A two bedroom apartment in this area is between $6-800. Homes the size of mine in my neighborhood are now selling for $90K.

Add to the financial benefits that I also own three large dogs and two cats (and a horse, but I board him at a stable). I would never be able to afford the lifestyle I have as a single person without home ownership. I don’t mind the yardwork. I like most of my neighbors - we’re generally a neighborly bunch. Last year when my neighbor was laid up with back surgery, I mowed his yard for half the year. My other neighbors trimmed my trees for me and helped me when my mower needed repairs. Owning my home gives me lots of different kinds of pleasure.

StG

NO!!, The “bad credit” thing with a house is mostly MYTH.

At least I found out it was in my case.

Lemme tell you my little story - the Reader’s Digest version, anyway.

I rented for years and years and years. I loved it, honestly, for a long time. It was great to have no ties, no real responsibilities, etc with regard to repairs, maintenance and so on. I just wrote a check once a month and all was right with the world. Somebody else took care of pretty much everything.

I also had AWFUL credit. In fact, I’ve spent the last ten years working my way out of a series of very bad situations that befell my credit due to job loss, etc. in the mid eighties. I figured that owning a home wasn’t going to be even THINKABLE with the credit I had - after all, I couldn’t get a car loan, I couldn’t even get a credit card that wasn’t secured by $2500 in the bank!

So, when I went shopping for a mortgage, I did it almost more on a “curiosity whim” than anything. I knew I there was no way any bank or mortgage company would have me.

Boy, was I wrong. What I discovered was that lenders understand that most people will pretty much allow themselves to STARVE rather than risk the roof over their heads. People can do without a car, they can get by with cash when they have no credit cards, and so forth. But most people, once in a home, will do pretty much anything they have to do to make sure that mortgage gets paid on time. The lenders know this.

My mortgage was the EASIEST credit I ever got! To drive the point home, after I bought my house, my credit was still in recovery, and even though I was a homeowner, I still had a hugely hard time getting a credit card, car loan, etc. for a couple of years.

I will NEVER go back to renting ever again. I have a nice house that I own and can do with anything I wish. I’ve never had so much fun painting walls and hanging pictures. I’ve discovered that I actually like yard work (although I do hire someone to come cut the grass and do similar chores.) Jeez, I BUILT A GARAGE!! Most of all, I’m not beholden to some slimey landlord or management company that keeps upping the rent every year. My mortgage payment is the same today (excepting the property taxes) as it was five years ago and it’ll actaully be LOWER before the end of the summer as I complete refinancing at a lower interest rate.

Here’s the way I look at it in the end. By renting, I was paying my landlord for the privelage of living under his roof. The rent would go up every year, the rent would have never ended and I had no equity in the property - an imporant thing when you want to have a little extra cash to travel to England on short notice, for instance. I had no tax relief, etc. etc. etc.

By owning, I live by my rules, I have a stable housing cost that, over time, actually becomes a much SMALLER percentange of my monthly expenses and I get a nice little write-off every April 15th on tax day - for BOTH the mortgage interest AND the property taxes! Eventually, there will be no more mortgage and my annual expenses for a house will be property taxes and maintenance only.

I was a staunch “rent-til-you-die” dude before. Now I no longer see any value in renting at all, unless, like others have said, you move frequently. If that’s the case, then you really are better off renting - but that’s about the only case that I can see where it makes much sense.

“I bought my house 10 years ago. My house cost $57K It’s small, only 1000sq ft, but it has three bedrooms and I’m single”

I think these days you can get a 4 bedroom, 2 bath house in Gary Indiana for $50,000… but who would want to stay there? It depends on the location.

One local long time real estate agent (No longer a Realtor, just an agent) works for the senior citizen agency here. I can only imagine how many cards he gives out to them to get them to let him buy their homes cheap.

Man. The house I was living in until recently was a 4br 2ba- 2900sqft w/view, 2-car garage on a double lot. Market value is probably $480K.

Oh, we were renting- $1400 a month, raised all of once in the 9 years I was there.

Best. Deal. Evar. There’s no way you could buy anything remotely comparable in Seattle for that, tax advantages or no. It’s simply not possible.