you quote this story as if it is something terrible. And that is part of the Dem’s problem–they way the left looks down disdainfully on half the population.
Lets look at this story: an 18 yr old approaching adulthood looks for advice from people she respects. And --horror of horrors–she respects her pastor, and her boss. And they, in the best of American traditions, are grassroot workers for a political party.
The left seems to honestly believe that if she had only accepted the gospel of Michael Moore, and voted the way the movie told her , America would be saved…
Michael Moore’s fanatic, unthinking evangelism is the way to salvation. — but hard-working people who hold Republican values and care enough to campaign for them are dangerous to American society.
That, and the fact that these latte-sipping, Vovo-driving, sandal-wearing liberals hate freedom. I know that because Sean Hannity told me so. And Bill O’Reilly says so too, and he’s an independent thinker.
But right off hand, I don’t have any quotes of Dem’s declaiming their contempt for the average American. No doubt Chapp has an abundance of them, if you would be so kind as to provide them?..
The Republicans finally had balls to overthrow right wing regimes for the first time since World War 2, while the Democrats dithered. Meanwhile for the first time in a 4 year period in a long while, not a left-wing government was overthrown–the Venezuela coup was a failure.
Cut the crap. Did you read the OP? This thread is about how Bush won. 2sense mentioned faith-based GOTV efforts, and I provided some cites showing how it was done. This is about strategy.
Where do you read disdain from me? Please direct your nonsense elsewhere. I’m tired of this type of strawman hijack.
A commitment to honesty is definitely a handicap in that scenario. But, while we’re waiting for “the tide to turn”, why not take the challenge, and try to turn truth into a strategic advantage?
The “Democratic Karl Rove” equivalent wouldn’t have to lie, just be cunning and have foresight. No sins there, right? Why didn’t the Dems see this strategy and attempt to counter it in advance? It wasn’t really “under the radar” - I found news cites from 2000 onwards that spelled it out, in all of 20 minutes of googling. Too bad I wasn’t looking before the election. But then, I wasn’t being paid big bucks as a Dem strategist…
You either have absolutely no concept of what a joke is, or you’re just desperate and being intellectually dishonest. For what it is worth, I think the latter.
This NPR listenin’, Birkenstock wearin’ Republican would have been delighted not to have gone into the booth holding my nose and voting for Bush. Sadly, the Dems weren’t able to offer me anything better than “he doesn’t bash his head with a rock each morning!” It is both naive and condescending to think the “anyone but Bush” tack was going to work for people over the age of 21… and oops! only a few under the age of 21 bothered to cast their vote either way.
This is one daft, head-in-the-sand, easily-led, homeboy lovin’ centrist who hopes the Dems don’t let me down in '08. Or maybe you’ll trot out another man of straw and holler insults at anyone who can’t see that your pile of non-substance is better than Pataki or Jeb.
Lord God, Farmy what does it take? He led us into a war under false colors, people are dying, the corpses are piling up. He demonizes a harmless minority by painting them as threatening the sanctity of an institution that they are asking to participate in! They want to be as normal as their inborn proclivities will permit, and GeeDubya says no, unh-unh, God don’t like the way He made you, so He’s pissed at you about it. Shame on you for being you!
You know they got a plan in the works to cut Medicaid? You know this, right? What are we gonna do, give crippled kids lectures on entrepreneurship? Fuck you, Tiny Tim, earn your damn crutch! We need to save money, got to give more to the underprivileged rich folks and need some to piss away killing folks who haven’t done anything to us.
This makes sense to you? This you vote for, because the other guy doesn’t inspire you? And when GeeDubya tells you that your vote validated his policy, made everything all hunky-dory, do you swell with pride? Well, he’s kinda right about that: you did. You patted him on the back and said “Swell job, George, way to go!”
You know, from a perfectly objective, faceless perspective… if on one hand, I have a guy who is at best misleading, slimey, etc, and another guy who just doesn’t have a plan, I think I’m going to settle with mediocrity instead of 4 more years of sham government.
If on the one hand I have a guy who invaded a foreign country for no good reason, an offensive action that violates both the UN Charter and the ideals of this country, and a guy who at best did a wink-wink nod-nod to torture, as evidenced by the fact that immediately after the election he not only did not can the man publicly associated with torture, Alberto Gonzales, but actually promoted the despicable fascist fuck, well, if that’s not enough, there’s really nothing to say.
Either you stand for some minimum of decency and competence, or you don’t. Take your choice.
who said anything about inspiration? This is exactly the point of my post above: I ‘admit’ to voting against Kerry and am immediately painted as someone who votes on inspiration.
I would have settled for someone who didn’t support the war from the beginning. In this regard, I see little difference between the two candidates except that one served his political career despite strong personal convictions which should have led him in another direction. That’s a strong strike against his leadership quality IMHO.
I don’t believe the left is doing social progress any friggin’ favors and it’s my understanding that gay/lesbian activists are finally starting to agree with me in this post election fall-out. How can so many people be against gay marriage? Wrong question. Most of us aren’t. A few of us are very much for the rights of homosexual couples and wonder why this is a political issue at all. Some of us know your neighbors’ minds aren’t opened by legislation and test cases but rather by day-to-day contact with, and community spirit for the openly gay couple down the street. This fight against bigotry won’t be won in the courts…hell, it won’t even be fought there, it will be fought and won in Peoria, and you can take that to the bank. Join some grassroots community organizations instead of voting for someone who’s just not somebody else for crying out loud.
Farmy, I’m trying to give you the benefit of a doubt, but, jeez, you make it kinda hard…
Compared to the guy who actively worked to create the crisis in the first place? Huh? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Leadership quality? He led us into war on a false premise! Is this some sort of leadership you find admirable? How do you rate Custer?
Because the Bushiviks made it one! You think it was Kerry? Huh?
Darlin’, been in more grassroots orgs than you’ve had hot meals. Started in '64, working for Goldwater. I got better.
You claim you were joking. I was not the only reader to miss this “joke” and assume you were serious. In part, this was because your post was bereft of a smiley or any emoticon that would serve to indicate you were not serious.
I believe many legislators voted to give Bush the power to go to war in order to fake Sadam out. They didn’t think he would immediantly invade.
I’m curious if you voted in the primary. In my state we can vote in either primary, and I often (not this time, of course) vote in the Republican against our sitting governor. Were you able to vote for a Democratic guy you liked?
Unless memory fails, that was precisely Kerry’s point: not so much to “fake out”, but to empower the President to proceed if need be. He made a mistake I would not have made, he trusted Bush at his word, that he would exhaust every alternative, explore every option, etc.
(Or so he claims. One must admit the possibility that political considerations were paramount, that he feared political disaster for his career, that he dare not open himself up to attacks on his patriotism, which slander was being used with brutal effectiveness by a Republican party determined to exploit the situation for every possible advantage. Perhaps he lacked the courage of Sen Wellstone, but, on the other hand, so do most of us…)