How can I find a job that’s “just a job”?

I was doing some random searching, and stumbled across this thread. Man o man, Legomancer and those who agree with him articulate my sentiments about work perfectly. I just don’t care. When I got out of college, I did not want to climb the corporate ladder, or land a glamorous job that allowed me to travel the world having exciting adventures. I didn’t want a job that consumed my life. What I view as my “real” life is my life outside of work. All I wanted was a job that paid me well enough to pay for a place to lay my head at night, put food in my mouth, insure my car, and have a little spending money with which to enjoy my free time–-while requiring me to work no more than 40 hours per week at fairly straightforward tasks. I wanted a job only so that I could do what I wanted during evenings, weekends, holidays, and vacation time. I did not want a career-oriented job. I wanted to read books, watch movies, practice the piano, go running, try my hand at writing something for publication, etc., and a job was a way to pay for my ability to do those things. Those things, and not my job, were to be my real life. (If anyone’s interested in some light reading ;), I have posted in the past on my attitude about work and the problem with my current job . )

I’m a systems analyst in the IT branch of a large corporation that’s supposedly famous for being good to work for. I make decent money. I loathe it. It involves ongoing project work that lasts for months at a time, requiring that I put a lot of myself into it in order to do a good job, which I’m not doing (even though I somehow managed to get a good performance rating for last year-–beats me.). It puts a lot of pressure on me. I don’t usually work overtime, but I have had to stay late once in a while, and as I progress in this job, such occurrences will only increase in frequency, as I can see by looking at my elder cow-orkers. A few weeks ago, I was in my project manager’s cube discussing my workload, and as I was getting up to leave, he snuck in this gem at the end of one of his sentences: “‘cause I know you’ve been goofing off lately, going away [I had recently used *1 day* of vacation to take a 3-day ski weekend], you’re probably not even working weekends.” He said it jokingly, but still-–to he** with you, pal! God forbid I should use a vacation day, and not work weekends! (He, and many others at his level, do work on weekends. Certainly not full days, probably not even half days, but they will at least check their e-mail, touch up a presentation, etc.) Furthermore, it looks like I’m not going to be able to take the vacation I had wanted to take. My dad asked me to go backpacking with him in May. It would be a 6-day trip, and we’d take advantage of Memorial Day weekend so that I’d only have to use 3 vacation days. It was really nice of my dad to suggest the idea, since he knows I’ve always wanted to go backpacking in the spring instead of in the dog days of summer when we’ve gone in the past, and it would have been a good idea for me since I don’t spend much time with my dad. But this week, my project manager has started a spiel about some ridiculously complex and huge new project, on which I and several others would play integral roles, which he wants the first version of in production by the end of May. Given what he’s describing, I can’t see getting it done by the end of August. There’s just no way I can request vacation time in May now. This incident is a milestone in that this job is now interfering with my “real life” to a greater degree than it ever has before-–I can’t use my vacation time when I want. It feels like all I do is work; a few meager hours in the evenings and on the weekends aren’t enough to truly live.

My mom is a home health aide. She barely makes enough to live on her own. When she needed to buy a new car recently, she had to ask her brother for help. Her job is to bathe, dress, wipe the butts of, and otherwise tend to elderly and infirm people. But she loves it-–loves her cow-orkers, the hospital she works for, her patients, and the friends she’s made–-and, most importantly (in my view of things anyway), her job is simply to do whatever needs to be done to whatever patients she’s been assigned that day, collect her check, and go home. She goes in at 7, but she’s usually home by 3:30. She has to work one weekend a month, but when she does she gets two days off during the week to make up for it. She spends her spare time happily cooking, watching movies, and reading mystery novels.

In the thread I linked to above, Legomancer said that he’s able to treat his job as “just a job,” something he does in order to earn money to live and enjoy the rest of his life. And I have seen several others on this board post about having jobs where their main responsibility is simply to be there and fill the shift. I’ve recently begun thinking, what if there is a way out? What if I could easily get such a job, and I don’t even know it? I view myself mainly as an “arts and humanities person”–-I was a music major, and have always loved reading and writing-–rather than a “business and technology person,” and it’s just killing me to have a job that attempts to squeeze me into this mold that doesn’t fit. I’d love it if I could get a job as a night watchman or something similar, and I were actually able to sit there and read, or write my own Great American Novel, while “working.” Not that I’m begging for a job where I don’t have to do anything; a job where I actually had to work the whole time–-I’m thinking some sort of lab technician–would be OK too, as long as it was fairly low-stress and low-pressure. The clincher: the job would need to pay well enough for me to support myself and live at least slightly below my means. Moving back in with Mom or Dad is not an option, and I couldn’t stand the insecurity of living paycheck-to-paycheck.

I do want to do something with my life, someday. I would like to eventually have a family. I have considered high-stress professions like teaching and medicine. But I can’t see myself getting there without having some time to rest and think. It’s as though I’m running somewhere on foot, running nonstop, with no chance to take a breather, and I wish to the Lord I could stop for just a minute, sit down, and think, but I can’t because someone is behind me at all times, pushing me to keep running. My life since I started this job has been one big blur, and the longer I stay the further I’m going to get sucked in. I’m expected to want to climb the ladder. After two recent staff promotions, I’m now at the lowest salary grade (one notch above college recruit) of anyone in my entire “team” of about 25 people. I’m supposed to push hard this year so I can get promoted too. F that! I can tell I’ve already lost some of the literary skill I once had that made me think I’d like to try writing, because I never get a chance to exercise it. I would like, for just two or three years, while deciding what I really want to do, to have a low-pressure job that gives me time to think. A job that doesn’t require me to be someone I’m not. A job that I can treat, in Legomancer’s words, as “just a job.”

Any advice?

Find some part-time or contract kinda work. You lose pretty much all the politics and BS of a full time position (most of the benefits too, though). They’re grateful if you show up.

You think you own your house, but in Soviet Russia your house owns you!!! (True in America too!!)

  1. Work in a union shop on an assembly line. Stay alert enough not to lose a finger, arm or leg.

  2. Taxi dispatcher, or cabbie.

  3. Star in porn movies. Wear a mask.

  4. Walmart greeter.

  5. phone sex.

  6. street begger.

  7. rapper.

  8. human guinea pig.

  9. autopart wholesale clerk.

  10. roller rink shoe attendant.

Looking back at my OP, I see that the paragraph about my mom doesn’t seem to fit. I suppose I meant to tie it in later, and forgot to. I just wanted to contrast her job with mine, and show that what she does is more like what I’d like to be doing (except that it doesn’t pay quite enough.)

I’ve never liked any job where someone paid me to do their bidding. I can’t handle the stupid pettiness, politicking, and general narrow-mindedness of the workplace.

I’m sure there are some great places to work. I’ve probably even worked in a few of them. This has more to do with me than the workplace.

A month ago I was laid off from my boring, tied-to-a-cubicle office job. My money is way low and I’m happier than I’ve been in a long time.

My career is writing. I’ve known it all along. Now I’m making it my job.

Arcite, you say you were a music major. There are really fun jobs that can revolve around music. For a regular slacker job, a record store is perfect. You listen to music all day, stay on top of what’s new, and surround yourself with other people who like music. The money will probably suck, but that’s where the next two jobs come in:

You could teach music to kids or adults in your neighborhood. My brother had two or three students and they adored him. He’d go to their homes for an hour on Saturday morning. It was personal and rewarding.

The other option is doing a concert/album review column for your local paper. You seem to have good writing skills. With your technical knowledge, you will be able to provide more than the basic “it had a good beat and was easy to dance to” review.

These last two are definitely part time, but would be a nice supplement to your record store gig. Trust me…you’ll be happy and not tied to a corporate cubicle…all at the same time!

Good luck!

basic admin stuff - particularly in local government seems to be generally the option taken by people over here. The pay is reasonable. The benefits are good, and if you find the right job you’ll never have to think again.

Plus most have a guaranteed pay rise scheme that will ensure that you are always paid at least in line with inflation.

Unfortunately, it seems like you may have some marketable skills. Thankfully, I’ve been spared those. Oh sure, I’ve done a million different things and done them well, often just by training myself. I’ve taken a process at my current job that used to take three days to do and made it so it now takes about ten minutes. But that’s not the sort of thing that impresses employers - they want to make sure that you have a clearly defined and obvious skill set. My lack of one has been the biggest boon towards me not finding any kind of high-level job.

I actually like where I am now. The work is easy, they don’t care if I goof off a big chunk of the day so long as I respond when there’s a task put in front of me, and I like the people I work with. I still go home at 4:00 and I still don’t give a damn about anything more than five feet away from me, but I’m enjoying it.

How much money do you need to make, realistically? I don’t make tons of money as a paper carrier, but I love it and it pays more than double minimum wage. Of course, I work almost every day of the year (but only for four hours! yay!), but basically my job consists of driving around listening to the radio early in the morning.
For me, right now, it’s perfect: four hours of solitude, watching the sunrise every morning, getting a little exercise and fresh air, and $14 an hour. Not to mention the fact that I can take my dog or the babies when I feel like it. Better than WalMart or fast food, certainly.
If I need extra money, I concentrate on ebay or picking up freelance proof reading. When you work one short shift each day, it gives you a nice sense of flexibility with the rest of your time (or it would, if I didn’t have all these kids to deal with).
Good luck. Life’s too short to be unhappy in your job.

Arcite, I could have written your OP. Except that I used to think that I wanted a high-powered, all consuming career, and don’t any longer.

I too was a music major in college, and am now working as an IT project manager. (How the hell did I get here???)

Here’s what I’m doing:

  1. I cut my hours back to 32 per week (4 8 hour days, with Fridays off.) I have a two year old daughter, which is the perfect excuse to cut your hours. The 20% paycut hasn’t been bad, and I feel much more balanced. They don’t expect as much of me as they used to. (My daughter is also the built in excuse as to why I can’t work late or weekends. Yea!)

  2. I’ve started offering baby and toddler music and movement classes. I’m starting small, only two classes on Friday mornings, to build a client base. Once my music class business is established, it’s Hasta La Vista, IT job!

So, obviously this is MY plan, not yours. My point is, there are a variety of things you can do.

  1. Change your attitude. Seriously, just because they put pressure on you to work longer hours, or sacrifice vacation time, doesn’t mean that you need to care. Tell them you’re taking your vacation. You earned it, take it. If they tell you no, tell them YES, and talk to HR. (You said it was a large corporation - they’ll buckle.) When your boss makes idiotic comments about you slacking off, call him on it. He’ll either back down, or tell you there’s a problem. At least it will be out in the open. Still you don’t have to actually care.

  2. Start looking for another job. bodypoet asked the right question - how much money do you need to make? There are tons of jobs out there that allow you to walk in, do the job, and walk out, but they don’t all pay well. The best paying job that I know if that fits that description is:

  3. Telemarketing. No kidding. You might be able to find a job doing customer service or tech support, where you don’t have to sell. It pays well in my part of the country for an entry level job (Massachusetts - $35 - $40K full time), and no one will expect you to take it home with you. You’ll just have to put up with a little more BS because you’ll be lower on the totem pole.

Good luck!!

At first I thought there was no such thing as a cushy job. Then I thought about some more and realized that there are such jobs where you came in, did your thing, went home, rinse and repeat the next day. There are 2 classes of these jobs

a) Union work

b) Government work

In both cases, all you have to do is maintain a level of work ethic so as not to get fired. Yo do not need to over exert yourself or be ambitious and at the end of your career (20 to 30 years) you get a big fat pension.

I’ll be the third to suggest union work. I’ve a friend who’s recently left his field to pursue a carrer as an electrician. He has to serve a long aprenticeship (5 years) but is paid enough to live on, gets nice benefits, and doesn’t think about work after he’s punched out. As an additional plus, once he’s fully licensced, he has a job for life. That’s to say, if he saves up a chunck of change he can take off for a few years and go back to school (or whatever he chooses to do). If it doesn’t work out, he can always fall back on electrcianing (yeah that’s a word, you got a problem wit it?).

And let’s not forget that he also gets to wear his pants half way down his ass.

Arcite
You know, after reading one of your other threads, I think I have an idea for you. How 'bout running a self-storage facility? Give your renters thier own keys, hire a security gaurd or two, and come in once every other week to crunch numbers. Methinks it could work (though I must admit, I’ve no idea about the logistics of running a self-store buisness).

Hi, Legomancer. Thanks for dropping in.

I’m afraid I don’t quite understand–are you saying I might have difficulty getting a lower-level job, because employers would perceive me as overqualified? You know, I’ve never understood the idea of being “overqualified.” So what if some guy who used to be an executive now wants to be a plumber? Whence the idea that he’s somehow going to be a worse plumber for having been an executive?

That’s my dream job in a nutshell–instead of having ongoing project work which I have to plan myself, they just hand me tasks and I hand them back when completed. Instead of my having to plan what I’m going to be doing for the next 3 months, THEY tell me what they want me to do THAT DAY. (Which is what I thought IT would be like, but that’s another story.) And ideally, the pace would be fairly slow. What is it you do for a living?

bodypoet, how does one find freelance proofreading work? I love reading, and I love correcting people’s spelling and grammar. :wink:

Let me clarify–no one’s going to tell me I can’t use all my vacation time for this year. What I fear they’re going to tell me is that I can’t use any until after May. I still plan to ask, but my hopes aren’t high. While there’s no official company policy on how early one must request to use vacation time, of course my manager does have to approve. Since my team has gotten so large, my manager has delegated much supervisory responsibility to the project managers. So if my PM wants (for whatever reason, probably his own self-promotion) all this work done by May, he may very well say “no.” Are you suggesting, based on your experience in the corporate world, that I should demand the use of 3 days in May, and complain to HR if they give me a hard time?

Also, your words are very encouraging in a sense, but you seem to be saying I should have an almost flippant attitude. While that’s very tempting, I’m deathly afraid of losing this job. I don’t know where else I’d turn if that were to happen.

Really? As much as 40K per year for over-the-phone customer service work? Is it easy to get one of those jobs? I would think that with all the unemployment in the news, people would be snatching them up.

BTW… here’s to all the music majors turned IT workers! How does that happen, anyway? Computers and the corporate world were the last things on my mind when I was in school.

arcite I feel for you.
I started in 1988 as a union assembly line worker; good money, punched a clock, voluntary overtime. did that for 7 years.

then I joined mngmt. as a quality technician, improved my knowledge and skillset, moved up little by little till I had the opportunity to become shipping mngr. blew that off because I didnt want to be on the plant floor anymore. I never had illusions about being an executive; I have no degrees, just wanted a decent job in a clean environment and to work amongst some nice people.

I took a long shot and went to customer service; really enjoyed it and I was still on the plant payroll. I worked on some spreadsheet projects and eventually got and managed some small accounts. after six months; the plant mngr. started asking the corp. people I was working for “are you going to take him on or not”, well the corp people couldnt convince a VP to do that; though they did try.

meantime; the positions I left had been backfilled, so I ended up getting a severance pkg.

how I wish now I had just stayed an operator; punched a clock.

I apologize for rambling; was not trying to hijack this string.
arcite; some good suggestions from the other posters!

Aside from the occasional project I’ve picked up from writers or editors I know personally, the only company that I’ve worked for is the one that contracts to proof the …For Dummies series. I think I only got hired there because another proofer recommended me.
I did that off and on for a year or so, and it was an okay supplemental income, but I couldn’t have survived on it unless I really did it FULL time, and that would have made me crazy. I love to read and proof and edit, but boy…when you’re wading through 500 pages of techspeak it can get old.
In other words: Envision the subject that you would consider the most mind-numbingly boring thing you could ever read about in your entire life. Then remember: Somewhere, someone has a badly written, 500 page tome on that very subject, and you are going to be the one to end up proofing it for a buck a page. That’s how it always worked out for me, anyway. :wink:

I know there are some folks here who do a lot more in the editing/proofing arena than I do; you might try a search to see what info they’ve posted in the past.

Frankly, I make more money delivering papers. Go figure.

I just got a new job yesterday doing tech support. The place is desperate for people (which is probably why they hired me… they do an on site application, to see how well you can handle computers. I couldn’t get the floppy disk in the computer. It was kind of embarrassing). The turn over rate is pretty high for whatever reason.

But I am looking forward to sitting in a cubicle.

Continuing Magauyuk’s hijack…

You just got a job doing tech support and you can’t get a floppy disk into a computer? I guess the next time my computer has a problem I should just take a hatchet to it.