Why? Do you rigorously hang out only with persons who hold your views on race, (sex, parenting, economy, religion, etc.)? Or do you have a special niche where people with the “wrong” views of race are to be shunned in all social environments?
You say this like it’s just weird not to hang out with people you know are racists.
Yeah, pretty much. I mean, for me personally, I don’t associate with people who are obviously racist. Former skinheads would for sure qualify!
I don’t think that’s a weird line in the sand to draw. I might be influenced in part by my father’s experience working against institutional racism in services for the homeless and the public school system, my own experience in volunteering for a wrongful conviction project, and the fact that my husband grew up in South Africa (he was 10 in 1994).
I don’t think I’m obligated to socially entertain people who are hateful for any reason, but racism is a definite no.
And, in the case of this person, if he is trying to disavow past racism, recent hangouts with unrepetant racists make me skeptical of his ‘reform’.
I do say that Political Correctness came from the Nazi’s and the Communist as that is what they use to control the people or to brainwash them with such crap.
Racist is one thing and racial prejudice is totally another thing.
To be proud of ones race and tradition is fine, I even could encourage it.
To be racial Prejudice is just a person who is a fool or a moron.
On my mothers side she is from Viking stock and I can see the good and bad in there history just as I can see in my dads side Hebrew not all is good but I can see a lot of good as well.
Big problem nowadays is that Political Correctness turns people into morons that run around trying to push people around as if such gives them the power to do so, we seen such with the Nazis and Communist madness, they are always dictating to everyone the cunning dolts.
Political Correctness != not wanting to hang out with racists. Euphemism is a friend to racists, not to those who oppose racism.
What is the difference between ‘racism’ and ‘racial prejudice’ and why is that an important distinction?
‘Racial pride’ is a thorny concept. I am proud of my (complex) ethnic heritage, but not because of the color of my pale skin. Ethnicity is not race. Being proud of my ancestors and their accomplishments, and the values that got them where they ended up, that has nothing to do with race.
There’s no excuse for racism. And no statute of limitations. That’s why Hillary Clinton is unfit for President. Anyone remember what she did?
http://conservativetribune.com/hillary-anti-semitic-remark/
“At a time when Mrs. Clinton was fighting for support in a heated Democratic Senate race in New York and President Bill Clinton was finishing up his eight-year rule, author Jerry Oppenheimer released a book that had a detailed account of then-Hillary Rodham calling her then-boyfriend Bill Clinton’s campaign manager, Paul Fray, a “f***ing Jew bastard,” after Bill lost his fight for a congressional seat.”
You mean “anyone remember what tabloid-writers/right-wing-nuts accused Hillary of doing”? I remember a lot of accusations – it can be quite difficult to keep track of them all.
But if it’s true that Hillary once used a racial slur and then denied it, then I would count that as a mark against her, and that would factor into my decision when comparing her to her opponent.
That quote surfaced in a book written by a former editor of the National Enquirer. Such a solid source (as was yours).
She did deny it, incidentally.
However it didn’t stick 16 years ago, so why shouldn’t you try again.
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And don’t highjack this thread with fairy tales, please.
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IME, people who are very racist generally don’t hide it well. If Solares were still that racist, I’m sure evidence will show in other ways, we’d be finding out about in the next few days.
As for one photo taken with an old racist acquaintance - I guess Nelson Mandela should never have posed for this, then… I think it’s generally know I’m not a big fan of racists, but even I have racist acquaintances (not friends) from my days working on the gold mines, who I’ve seen and been civil to in the last 10 years. There might even be photos of us having a beer together at a reunion party.
Ordinarily, it’s probably enough for someone to say that they were once racist but grew out of it. But you have to wonder if he’s not hiding behind some screen handle on “storm front” or another underground site. A photo of him being chummy with other skinheads (unless they similarly disavowed the group) in particular would raise questions.
I think all of us have prejudices and biases, but that’s not what were talking about here. We’re talking about someone who consciously participated in groups that actively promoted hatred. I think it’s absolutely fair for his employer, who was not made aware of his past, to take a closer look and find out for themselves what the truth is.
Man, the petulant conservative martyrdom fussiness in this thread is hilarious.
No, nobody thinks racism is the worst crime ever. On the contrary, most folks on the left that I know think racism is pretty common and should be confronted so that it can be ended, not that it’s some super-rare super-bad crime.
No, people on the left don’t treat racism like murder.
No, most leftists (I can’t account for all) don’t use a double standard, forgiving Democrats but holding lifelong grudges against Republicans. When Paul Ryan disavowed some of his more extreme Randian views, I heard only cautious praise from folks on the left for this (along with calls for him to go further). Indeed, the most grudge-holding I’ve heard from folks on the left has been against Hillary Clinton, refusing to respect her change of views on issues like same-sex marriage and “super-predators.” The left if anything has a tendency to eat its own.
As for this guy? It’s not my job to play gotcha. If he does or says something racist, call him on it. But it does no good to tell the guy he can’t hang out in a bar with people. That’s just weird.
I used to be a homophobe. When exactly I stopped being a homophobe is kinda difficult to pinpoint, since it wasn’t something that just happened at a single point in time. It was a process. I got out of my podunk little town and went to college in the big city, I actually met gay people for the first time (that I knew of), and I started experiencing points of views that were very different from my own coming from intelligent people that I respected. Between the ages of 18 and 22 I slowly lost most of my prejudice against gay people. By 25, I think it’s safe to say I was 99% homophobia-free. I believe in gay rights, gay marriage, and anti-discrimination laws now, very passionately, but it a way it’s something that I still struggle with, deep inside, because strong beliefs that I held in some form for that long a period in my life are kinda ingrained, and I have to fight against them.
I wasn’t a member of any organizations and I wasn’t very outspoken about my homophobia, but I easily could have been. It’s pure luck in many ways that it would be hard to prove I had been homophobic except that I admit it, though I did know people who could tell you. And if I had been shunned instead of engaged with, maybe I wouldn’t have changed. If I had known I would never be forgiven for what I had believed, even after changing my beliefs, I might never have changed. If I had known I would have to cut off all contact with homophobic people I knew from before after changing my beliefs, I might never have changed.
A lot of people need to change. So we need to make it easy for them to change. Forgive.
There is a difference between being a racist and being a skinhead. “Forgiveness” would depend on what acts he actually committed while being a member of a violent hate group.
Well I am a Australian and grew up with the natives, talk about racist boy they take the cake with full on anger to all others but I understand where they are coming from with it all but the majority of Aussies don’t have a clue.
I support their true culture and their right to it and always have.
I have never had much respect the governments position on Abo’s much at all, as it’s view are far from the real issues, main point is that such people do not truly know such people at all, sure some part breed city person who claims to be one :dubious:
We had a Left wing government say sorry to the abos, sounded good to idiots as all left wing people truly are that shallow, it was moronic ! to say sorry when they are not truly sorry at all :o not to mention it was not their place to say sorry for the people who it is that is claimed they are saying sorry for in the past.
No one can say sorry for another generation that past, can you say sorry for what your forefathers generation before you that moronic.
If you could go back in time in a time machine and claim that you were saying you are going to say sorry for them on there behalf, do you think they would support that position, you would most likely get strung up.
One of the problems is not to many people comprehend History well at all, so there position on it is far removed from reality.
People claim racism at the drop of a hat nowadays and sit back bagging the generation that’s gone before it in total ignorance and claim that they are now a generation that has evolved :eek: and claim that they are progressive, History will prove them all wrong.
People have not evolved at all.
Fact is people are sinners and that racist and prejudice is part of life, you will never get rid of anything by not comprehending truly what you are dealing with and running about being some modern day Nazi telling people you can’t this can’t that has never worked before and never will in the future.
When I talk to people about such things I don’t jump up and start stoping about like a Nazi about their point of view, but I listen and may give a insight into what they may mistakenly believe.
There is noting wrong with a abo being proud of his race and I hope he is proud of being one. and if that makes me a racist fine ! but I am not racial prejudice, because I understand, a prejudice person does not understand.
That…is…one of the problems, yes.
Now who can argue with that? I think we’re all indebted to Gabby Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said.
I was a bit of a racist as a kid and a youth. I wasn’t a member of a movement, and i didn’t go around picking fights with racial and ethnic minorities, or yelling at them on the street, but the feelings were there.
My racism was the low-level, casual racism that was pretty common among unsophisticated suburban and rural white kids in Australia in the 1970s and 1980s. We complained about how aboriginal Australians were lazy and didn’t respect themselves and were always looking for government handouts. We complained about how Chinese and Lebanese and Vietnamese immigrants should learn English or, preferably, go back where they came from and not ruin our country. We made jokes about Japanese and Cambodians and Pakistanis and other people of color.
Most of us were also pretty unapologetic little homophobes. I went to a boarding school, and accusations of homosexuality were a common way to pick on unpopular kids. Any suggestion that anyone might actually be gay resulted in merciless hounding although, luckily, not usually any violence.
I’m not proud of any of that. It certainly wasn’t how my mother brought me up. It was learned from school friends and media representations and the general life of lower-middle-class Australian suburbia, a place where even the more “acceptable” and assimilated non-British immigrant groups like Italians and Greeks were still commonly referred to as “wogs.”
It was also, for the most part, a result of complete and utter ignorance. I had never even met an aboriginal Australian, and my knowledge of the diverse groups of immigrant Australians was limited to the Greek family who owned the corner store in our neighborhood, and the few Vietnamese and Chinese and Lebanese kids who attended my overwhelmingly-Anglo high school. Apart from that, i only encountered these immigrant groups when visiting some of the south-western suburbs of Sydney, near where the school was located.
After i left school and moved into the city proper, i began encountering more people who didn’t look like me or act like me. Then i traveled overseas, broadening my horizons even further. I can’t pinpoint any one moment when i was no longer a racist or homophobic little shit, but by my early 20s i was conscious of the fact that i no longer thought about these issues in the same way as i had when i was a teenager.
Well, that’s a unique take on communication in e English language.
The Nazis were the racists… You know that, right? It doesn’t do your argument any good to suggest that non-racists are the ones being like the Nazis.
Using a term like “part breed” is really gross. Do people like myself with mixed ethnic heritage not have a right to be a part of society?
I agree with Andros Johnson!