How can you find out if a new employer sucks or not?

In the good ol’ days of the internet, I remember finding sites or boards where folks gossiped freely about their employers. Now that you can get your heiny sued for that, it’s more difficult to find.

Does anyone have any advice for finding such places on the 'net nowadays? Mr. Pug may interview at a company soon, but working there would involve a bit of a move on our part (Silicon Valley to Sonoma County, California). Discovering ahead of time if this place bites would of enormous utility to us.

So, any advice on how to research corporate culture? I’ve been Googling about some with nothing to show for it. Thanks in advance.

I would just assume that working there is going to suck, and that way you won’t be disappointed.

Yes, I just assume most places suck to work at, so I try to pick some of the less suckiest. In general I have found that smaller companies suck less to work at, but have suckier benefits. Large companies suck more to work at, but have better benefits. Choose your poison.

The only way you can really tell is if you have a friend or know someone on the inside that will tell you how it is.

How can you find out if a new employer sucks or not?
Invite him into the men’s room, and turn off the lights.

iDuring the interview mention that you need to give 2 weeks notice to your existing employer, and watch their response.
If they agree fine. If they respond that they need you right now, and can’t wait, RUN LIKE HELL. These people are assholes.
I’ve been burnt twice on this one. (slow learner) never again.

Do something called ‘informational interviewing’. You can make a time to interview a manager in a prospective workplace and ask all these questions - this doesn’t work if you have already agreed to work there.

OK. Now what?

The quick answer - yes, they all suck. Only time will tell if it’s a level of suckiness that you can put up with.

vault.com is a well-known forum for this type of information. Not all of it is free. Perhaps it goes without saying, but not all of it is true, of course.

Also, Monster Networking at monster.com has discussion boards. Same caveats.

At SDMB we fight ignorance. Some boards just fight :wink:

Wait outside the exit until quitting time, and then ask all the employees that will talk to you?

The kind of questions asked in an interview can tell you a bit about the culture there: what the employer thinks is important, what qualities they emphasize in their department.

Finding out during the interview process how long your interviewers have been at the company could help give an idea about company turnover.

Fortune magazine in their review of the best companies to work for also looks at the continuing ed/training opportunities employers offer.

Dare I say it-- The average age of the employees in a company speaks to the culture there.

But in any given company, even the departments have different cultures.

As said, the best way to find out before actually working there yourself is to talk to people who work there.

A slightly inside-out way to approach this is to talk to everyone you meet about how they like their employer and then check out the ones that people like working for.

It’s harder to pick a company and then try to find people who work for them, but certainly doable if you ask around a lot.

In a large company it probably matters more who you personally work for and what your immediate group is like. Also, one person’s suckieness is another persons paradise.

I would argue that no employer “sucks” unless their paychecks bounce.
Departments within a company suck, particular managers can make you wish you stayed home… but few employers actually suck.
I work at a Fortune 1000 manufacturing/technology firm. My job in my department is one of the spiffiest workplaces I’ve ever had.
Then, there are people sitting 200 feet away in another department that have jobs that really suck. Ulcer-generating suck.
My department compensates fairly and provides normal or even below-normal stress levels.
A department in another building 5 miles away, however, works their people to death and really offers a compensation package that probably puts 'em in the 20th percentile.
Bottom line, if someone says “BIGCORP sucks, don’t work there.” Then don’t assume your experience will be the same as everyone else’s. Your workgroup, your supervisor and your department are your environment. Your employer might have 30,000 employees, but you’ll probably never meet 29,000 of those.
Now if BIGCORP happens to bounce paychecks, bankrupt every 5 years or otherwise behave in fashions that might hurt you financially… then global judgements about an employer may be justified.

Like Jonathan Woodall I work for a large company, and it’s a great company. But some people in the department to which I belong see it as sucky and organized a friggin’ union, taking us happy folks with them unwillingly. Now when they get their silly little contract, the tables will have turned and I’ll have a sucky job in a sucky, wasteful, inefficient system.

So, even if a company isn’t sucky, it can become sucky – at least certain departments.

Couple of things to look for.

Check out the car park, what state are the ordinary workers cars in, and compare to those of the managers, if possible.

If the cars are mobile wrecks then I’d leave that place alone.

Do the staff work lots of overtime and is it paid ? Office staff are prone to being required to do lots of unpaid overtime - work is worth money, time is money if they wont pay then screw them.

Is everyone is grabbing the overtime, is it because they need the money ?

Does the company employ lots of the type of peole who would have a hard time getting employment elsewhere, such as the badly educated, immigrants, those who are nearing retirement age ? I’ve found companies like this are usually not doing it out of social concern, rather these people are easier to exploit.

What is the attitude to health and safety, is the job more important than employees health ? Even in office environments there can be hazards such as fire routes compromised, office desks crowding doorways because the place isnt big enough(which is a red flag to me) Poor heating or lighting are other reasons to walk away as these are signs of lack of concern for staff.

Do they enforce health and safety despite it perhaps being inconvenient to employees, things like safety hats, eye protection, steel toed safety boots, if they are supposed to be using them and the company does not enforce it you can reasonably say that this company is ony interested in defraying liability and is not actualy interested wether you live or die.

Look at the average age of employees and length of time worked there, good jobs dont come up as often as bad ones - for obvious reasons.

Do any of the staff have paid time off to study, such as apprenticeships, or other career enhancing studies, and what is the company policy on external staff training, just about all companies have some form of minimal in house traing such as fire drills, or minimum legal obligations.

If the company fulfils minmum legal obligations and goes no further, leave that company behind.

I have seen companies that actually discourage staff from gaining other qualifications because they reason that better trained stafff are more likely to look for better employment elswhere.

Some companies use various testing procedures to discover what sort of person you are, I dont mean the handwriting shite here, I mean the kinds of tests to discover wether you are an outgoing person, wether you enjoy technology, whatever, the idea is to employ a person in a role that more or less matches the persons charactor, if nothing else it does show that the company is very concerned about the quality of its recruits and may well be prepared to invest in them.

Does the company have a personnel handbook, that is - a guide to the procedures for both you and the managers, it should lay down clearly things such as attendance, sick pay, holiday entitlements.
It should also state clearly what disciplinery procedures are, and what recourse both you and the company can take.

Does the company provide work clothing or provide an allowance, on the shop floor certain work clothes might be necessary, some companies provide overalls and ensure that they are cleaned.

You know what you can do for the company, you will contribute to its smooth running and in some way you will make money for it, perhaps be part of someone elses career progression, but what do you want from the company, will it allow you to grow, change roles, perhaps take a completely unexpected career path?

An interesting rule of thumb I’ve heard is to watch the company’s parking lot at 5 PM, or whenever is quitting time. If at the stroke of 5 a horde of workers descends upon the lot, leaving nothing but an empty area by 5:05 PM, this means that everyone who works there are clock watchers who can’t wait to leave.

On the other hand, if you see people straggle out a few at a time over the course of an hour or so, than these are people who tend to finish up what they started or socialize a bit before leaving.

Actually, I’ve found that this is a rough correlation between worker satisfaction and how quickly a parking lot empties, at least in the two or three companies I’ve checked. But describing larger companies, as Jonathan Woodall pointed out, all bets are off.

Thanks, guys, for all the hints, which I will pass on to Mr. Pug. I was trying to plan against the possibility of going through all the trouble and grief to move there, and then finding out that everybody in town knows that this employer is the absolute worst in the state.

Vault! That was the name of the place I used to read years ago. I remember that smaller employers were likely not represented there; however, I’ll go and check. Thanks.