How concerned are you about this Coronavirus?

China Wife left Shanghai yesterday and is now in Seattle. Since the US airlines stopped direct flights, she used her ticket on Korean Air to Korea, then switched to a Delta flight to SF, then to SEA. Took 24 hours vs a 12 hour direct flight. From our flat in Shanghai to the boarding the plane, she had her temperature checked a half dozen times. In the airport in Korea as well. Upon landing in the US at a designated coronavirus airport (7 in the US), she simply filled out a form.

In Shanghai, at least, no one goes out without wearing a mask. If one person in your housing complex, which can be at least thousands of people, has a fever/suspected case, the entire complex goes into actual quarantine with every person having 2x per day temperature checks. Groceries are delivered.

China Wife is highly unlikely to be carrying any virus. That said, kids are barred from using the master bathroom, and I have a huge bottle of hand sanitizer sitting on the kitchen counter. If any of us run a fever in the next few days, then defcon 3.

A public health pro I talked to said:

The good news, the mortality rate is only one in 500, it’s basically a common cold, lots of rest, plenty of liquids is the only treatment.

The bad news, the 14-day incubation, which means exposure to lots and lots of people before you know you have it.

I’m kind of concerned because I have a trip to Singapore planned for April. By then the crisis will either be over, or there will be a massive epidemic there. (There are currently 18 cases there.)

One of the tricky things is that one of the reasons for going to Singapore for a medical meeting is because it’s close to China. But the people from China can’t come anyway. But we have to do the bookings now. (Most doctors have no more idea what’s going on than they can read in the press: these doctors are going ahead with the meeting and hoping).

No drama here. Off to Vietnam on 28.02, and nary a worry in the world.

More likely to get killed by a drop-bear here in Aus, or run over by feral scooters in Saigon. Coronavirus? Pffftt.

Off to your room, you know why. :smiley:

One thing I see is that although I myself am not too concerned — the local Chinese community, which is huge, is terrified. There are reports that business is down dramatically at the Asian stores and all the workers there now wear a mask and gloves.

I won’t be concerned until we get a solid death rate in the United States, and if it is significantly worse than the flu.

I don’t think that will be the case.

Yes. My wife is from China and her parents live with us here in the US, and my in-laws are in full-blown panic mode. It’s driven by stuff their friends forward them on WeChat. According to my MIL:

  • The virus is a hybrid of the AIDS virus and a virus extracted from bats that was created as a weapon by the military.

  • The virus was developed four years ago, which you can tell from patents and the hiring pattern at the military lab in Hunan.

  • It was deliberately released by a vendor at the fish market in the stall of a rival in order to ruin their business.

  • The cities are on lockdown because people are dropping where they stand by the thousands and the government is trying to cover this up.

  • There is also a new SARS outbreak that is also being covered up.

  • There are 3,000 cases in the US which, again, is also being covered up.

I tell her that this all sounds like a lot of BS, but she says all her friends are saying the same thing and they can’t all be wrong, so it must be true. :rolleyes: I’m not worried myself, but starting to get pissed off because this is what I’m hearing every day.

Even if you’re not concerned about catching it yourself, it might affect you if you’re traveling. There are reports that it took 6 hours to get through immigration at San Francisco airport yesterday. Passengers had to submit a detailed itinerary of their past travels and undergo a medical examination.

I had two staff members in China on vacation for the New Year.

One returned yesterday after jumping through hoops to change flights. He has voluntarily chosen to self-quarantine for two weeks, he will likely work from home.

The other staff member I have not heard from yet. I don’t even know where in China she is, but she is due back tomorrow which seems less likely given the flight cancellations.

We just received a pandemic plan from our landlord. If it becomes an issue here, I’ll just direct everyone to work from home. All of our production systems are in the cloud and if things seem to be going sideways I can move everything else to the cloud without leaving the house.

According to my wife, who came from China yesterday thru SF, this was not the case.

She simply filled out a health questionnaire and didn’t even get a temperature check.

And it was a 3 hour layer between the flight from Korea and her flight to SEA, so there wasn’t much of a delay.

Damn likely to get killed by a drop-bear, those things are nasty! :eek:

First case confirmed in Madison, Wisconsin.

Well, shit, we live in interesting times.

First, somehow it got out that my kids mother returned to the US on Monday from China (where she has been in self-quarantine in Shanghai for 2+ weeks) and that my kids were not self-quarantining just 'cause. Nor, horrors, are they wearing masks at school. The Tiger Moms within a hundred posts were able to name and shame my kids. And interestingly enough were able to use the birth name of middle child, then the new trans name being used at school, as well as the longer version now being the preferred name (think Jane then Chris, then Christopher as a made up example).

Righteous Tiger Moms have flooded the school wechat group in Chinese with their outrage, bile, panic and lack of facts. My kids mother made the mistake of trying to engage, and she knows many of the fellow Tiger Moms personally, was flamed and after a few hundred messages left the group. I, too, am a member of the group, and checked in to see what the kefluffle is all about. Long story short, one kidlet was coughing in class so badly, he had to be sent to the nurse. Kidlet said he got pulled out of class for no apparent reason, nurse checked his temperature and sent him back to class. Kidlet does not have a fever nor a cough.

That said, other kids know his mom was coming back on Monday and cough cough admitted he might have joked about have coronavirus with his buddies and pretended to cough *cough cough. He already realized that was a poor move and before I could bring it up said he would apologize to all and sundry tomorrow and never joke about serious shit again.

Tiger Moms then worked themselves into a one upmanship frenzy of who has already self-quarantined their kids 'cause of jerks like me versus those on the fence of keeping their kids home tomorrow. One TM reported that the principal said “you can keep your kid home as an excused absence if you would like.”

I like the principal. I will be going in when I drop off the kidlets tomorrow morning to highlight the risk of bullying. One kid is trans, and some shit will probably make sure the entire school knows he is trans (instead of just half the school). The other kid is on the autism spectrum, and vulnerable to bullying. Good news it is a small public school that students get in via lottery, and the principal, staff and teachers don’t cotton to bullying and are able to kick out the trouble makers pretty easily.

I was really reasonable with the wechat group. Understand all of us care about our kids, no one wants to spread rumors, spread panic, no one condones bullying, etc. But Mom is asymptomatic, kids are asymptomatic, we are following the CDC guidelines, the local children’s hospital had no issue with me visiting one of their clinics (I checked in advance and one of the doctors called back to say I was welcome as long as I didnt’ have a fever or cough.) Offered to meet any one that wanted to discuss in person tomorrow morning outside at 20 paces. Even then I got comments that I might spread the coronavirus.

I swear these tiger moms sound like the most ignorant peasants from the Chinese countryside instead of the highly educated professional first generation go getters that populate the high tech world of Seattle. And I didn’t even get on my high horse of having lived thru SARS in it’s entirety in Shanghai, nor that I probably have more relatives in the epicenter Hubei province than all of the rest of them combined.

The other thing I learned about Tiger Mom’s is that they don’t sleep. You can lead a Tiger Mom to water, but you can’t drown her like a peasant with unwanted kittens. Le sigh.

Oh ya, and then tonight my Taiwanese company that has massive factories and a million employees in China, declared the latest policy that US based employees that have had any kind of close contact with someone from China need to self-quarantine for 2 weeks and not go to the office. This applies to me since my wife came back on Monday.

Good news is that I have been working on getting back in shape snowboarding. Better news is that I can be in the chairlift 1 hour after dropping my kids off in the morning. So, I’ll bitch about quarantine, and make sure I ride each chairlift by myself to stay in policy. :slight_smile:

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Drama like the above makes me so thankful for my daughters’ school (about 30% Chinese) where they’ve just been mailing out the latest health guidelines every couple of days (currently ‘you’re fine unless you were in Hubei in January, or came back from China after Feb 1’) and thanking everyone for washing their hands.

I’m quite sure I’m seeing fewer facemasks out and about than I was three weeks ago when we were all trying not to breathe in bushfire smoke, too.

Meanwhile, the Uni is dealing with its own little coronavirus drama - classes for the coming year start in three weeks, and up to a quarter of students for some courses won’t be able to get back, if the government extends the travel ban (more likely than not) past its current mid-Feb date. Massive headache for all the poor kids who’ve got tickets and accommodation booked already, not to mention the lecturers trying to figure out how to adjust for them

Hearing about the cruise ships that aren’t letting anyone off is a little off-putting, as we’ve got a cruise scheduled in May. Then again, it’s pretty far out, time-wise, plus we’re sailing for Bermuda out of NJ, so I expect the chances of anyone coming from China for a week-long cruise is pretty small.

Mostly, I just imagine being trapped on a ship with thousands of pissed-off travelers and a few sickies - not much of a vacation…

I think the movie, “Contagion”, did a good job depicting what the social after-shocks would be like after a major epidemic became public knowledge. The stuff I’m reading here is happening even though there are only a handful of cases nationwide.

Not concerned at all.