The lunatic fringe sure must be overrepresented, given how many states do “abstinence only” education and how even Obama is afraid to take on the anti-emergency-contraception assholes.
How many is that? And what does that have to do with whether or not birth control is legal? Would you plant the goalposts firmly in the ground? You’re making me dizzy.
Obama is a big boy. If he’s intimidated by his political adversaries, then he doesn’t belong in the presidency.
What happens when I lose my faith in reason?
No, never mind. Can you move the creationism hijack elsewhere?
This is about John Mace looking at a (strawmannish) list of GOP demands and saying, “Oh, we had that forty years ago, it’ll be fine,” and when it’s pointed out that they are in fact mostly not what we had, saying, “Oh, they aren’t really GOP demands.” Well, that’s not what you said at first, John.
So, if they were real GOP demands, would you be fine with them, John?
Fully half of the 50 states ( http://michiganmessenger.com/11317/michigan-gives-out-14-million-in-abstinence-only-education-grants ), and it obviously has everything to do with the quoted assertion that conservatives “fight against birth control.” The only thing that should be making you dizzy is falling down in terror at the consequences of your own beliefs–unplanned pregnancies, abortions, unwanted children, and teachers legally required to stick their fingers in their ears and scream whenever someone asks about ways to avoid those things.
Nope. Your cite is 3 years old. The feds had been dangling $$ in front of states since the mid 1990s to encourage abstinence only sex ed. After your 3-year-old cite was written, Obama cut most of that that funding from the budget.
When you dig up a current cite, you will find that the trend is away from abstinence only.
Keep digging.
Wait, your argument against the idea that conservatives are against birth control, is that when Democrats took over, they ended conservative programs that were against birth control.
Dude.
No, that is not my argument. Read post #41.
CR stated that abstinence only education is wide spread.
You asked how wide spread.
He showed you.
You objected, saying that Obama has cut funding, so now it is less wide spread.
None of that undercuts the idea that conservatives are for abstinence only education. Which is, in my opinion, anti-contraception. Since they don’t want teens to even understand how contraception works, it’s obvious they are trying to keep teens from using it.
Nope. He claimed that it was widespread because ultra conservatives were over-represented. He tried to prove it with a 3 year old cite. A cite which predates the termination of much federal funding for said programs. The mere fact the federal funding has been cut (after about 15 years of steady funding) is an indication that those ultraconservatives’ influence is waning. If he can find a recent cite that shows that abstinence only programs are not waning accordingly, then he may have proven his point. I’ll wait for such a cite.
You think that the ultraconservative influence in the GOP is waning?
In any case, as I said earlier, a different cite would only show that a Democrat president is in power. It does nothing to show that ultra-conservatives aren’t in charge of the GOP. Watch a debate and listen to the rhetoric to see if ultra-conservatives are dictating the GOP now. Look at the Republican house’s list of bills. Those are reasonable metrics, how many states are easing off of abstinence only education isn’t something that would indicate it, since Obama is taking the pressure off.
I think that, as CR was trying to argue, that “fighting against the legality of birth control” is not part of the GOP party platform.
But since CR is moving goal posts like there is no tomorrow, I’m not too surprised that you are having trouble following along. Once again, I would suggest you read post #41. Then go back and read the OP, which quoted your post thusly:
Factually incorrect, but grabbed onto by CR like a dog onto a bone.
Don’t most conservatives insist that life begins at conception, and all life must be protected? Do you know how birth control pills work?
If personhood amendments are any indication, I’d say conservatives are getting crazier and more extreme and show no sign that they’re going to listen to reason anytime soon. There are implications with this that would certainly make some types of birth control, and Plan B type meds illegal. So yeah, I’d say that’s a strike against birth control.
Actually no, I know very few people (much less conservatives) who know how birth control works.
Pills. Birth control pills. I know how they work, and they are not consistent with protecting life from the moment of conception. I can only conclude that conservatives who hold that view of the beginning of life are against birth control pills.