How did mice get such great PR?

The only remotely favorable depiction of rats I can think of was in Chicken Run. A more realistic portrayal was given in Lady and the Tramp.

I caught a field mouse once when I was walking through the countryside in Vermont. He was a cute little guy; he actually darted in front of me and then tried to hide in the space between the heel and sole of my left hiking boot. I picked him up gently and let him go after a minute or so.

The neighborhood I live in in Moscow is infested with rats. I hate the friggin’ things! ** YEECCH!!!**

[Alec Guinness]…twisted and evil.[/Alec Guinness]

I see what you did there.

There still is good in him…

Difference between rats and mice: one is a filthy beast which reeks of urine and often cannibalizes its young. The other is just a rat. :slight_smile: But rat’s omnivory is more on the “meat” side, and we find that gross (even though a rat’s diet is very similar to our own).

Feeder mice and fancy mice aren’t the same thing. It’s the difference between a Lab and a Nureongi. There is no incentive to keep the feeder line healthy, they just need to live long enough to reach a certain size. I don’t know if this implies mental traits (docility etc.), but I wouldn’t be surprised if pet mice are better at that.

I think so, MacTech, but me and Pippi Longstocking… I mean, what would the children look like?

I used to keep pet mice when I was a kid; thought them cute, but not very characterful. I know, or know of, a couple of adult pet-mice owners-and-enthusiasts nowadays – there are a few around, and they seem to find their rodents as lovable and loving, as is usual with “pet people” and their charges.

I gather that in that “fancy”, the correct term for baby mice, is “pups” – something which would never have occurred to me.

I gather that many are of the opinion that this character in TWITW is not a true rat, but a European Water Vole (Arvicola amphibius) – a semi-aquatic rodent with some superficial resemblance to a rat; but overall, striking folk as cuter and less threatening. In the UK, the water vole is colloquially called the “water rat” – which IIRC is how the author refers to Ratty throughout the book.

With Mole as a co-hero, I suppose referring frequently to the doings of “the mole and the vole”, would have come across clunkily: maybe that’s why Grahame went with “rat”.

Re: rats vs mice as pets: rats live longer. They’re also supposed to be more sociable, though I have never owned mice so I can’t compare.

In any case, as a rat owner, I must strongly object to the notion that rats are not cute!

There was Ratatouille, of course, which had a rat as a main character. And Mrs Frisby and the rats of NIMH.

It’s actually much harder to come up with examples of evil mice. There was a white mouse in Garry Kilworth’s House of Tribes who was definitely evil, but that’s the only example I can think of. Even then, the main villains were a rat and an owl called Merciful.

As perhaps noticeable from my earlier posts in this thread, I am biased, but must say–your ratties are super cute. :slight_smile:

I think so, MacTech, but where do you stick a feather and call it macaroni?

[Nitpick]Brisby.[/Nitpick]

Not in the book!

Aw, thanks.

No shit? I didn’t know that.

You know, I’ve got a fan theory that Ratatouille and Secret of NIMH take place in the same universe - Remy’s family is descended from rats who escaped a French version of the NIMH project.

Indeed, wiki suggests that they changed it for the movie to avoid trademark issues with Frisbees.

I thought Jerry was cute until I saw a cartoon where Jerry was crashing a very hoity-toity party. Tom was trying to keep him out of the hors d’voeuvres and the usual high jinks began. There was Jerry sitting on a roasted chicken. Now Jerry is swimming in the punch bowl. Finally we see Jerry sitting on a train of a fancy party dress and the horrified lady screams when she sees him.

After watching that, I never thought Jerry was cute again. Can you imagine going to a party and finding a mouse in the punch bowl? ::shudder::

I can see the potential for confusion. I confuse rats with throwing toys all the time. That’s why I have all these festering bites on my hands. :smiley:

There’s a brief scene in last summer’s animated film Epic where the heroine (a human who’s been magically shrunk down to miniature size) is almost killed by a mouse because she’s naive enough to see the mouse as cute and fuzzy and adorable instead of a vicious predator of bug-sized creatures such as herself. The mouse isn’t exactly evil, though, just an animal looking for a meal.

As **DrFidelius **says, a mouse’s reaction to getting cornered is to have a panic attack. A cornered rat OTOH will bite the cat’s eyes out. Back when rat-baiting was a thing (note the “i” there, pervs !) ratter terriers would often come out of the ring badly mangled.