Are we referencing what I think that we are referencing??
I wasn’t specifically referencing anything - it just seemed to me like a comically obvious way a glove would travel around town.
One person from the “OJ is innocent” camp I know claims that the police starting framing OJ when “they didn’t check the dog’s paws for blood.” Somehow she thinks that the killer’s blood would have been on the Aikia’s paws.
I still can’t figure that one out.
The dog was named Kato! Wheels within wheels, people…
If the killer had been somebody the dog didn’t know and trust, the killers flesh would have been in the dog’s teeth as well. Akita is like Japanese pit bull, you mess with it’s family, you have to kill it to get it to stop attacking you.
It is clear to me how the stuff ended up where it did. Simpson was returning from the murder scene and knew he had to get rid of the knife, bloody clothes, and the glove. He knew that the limo driver was waiting and that Kato was in his bungalow, so he couldn’t just roll up to the front of the house.
He parks the Bronco, enters his estate through a circuitous back route with a handful of stuff he wants to get rid of. He runs behind Kato’s place in the dark and rocks himself on the air conditioner sticking out of the window. Likely falls down and drops the glove out of the mass of crap in his hands. He gets up, goes into the house and disposes of the stuff however he did it (the knife and clothes have never been found). In the process a sock falls out on the bedroom floor. He is busy rushing around and doesn’t notice it. He showers, gets dressed and meets the limo driver out front.
Why is this narrative so difficult to believe?
Because racism. This scenario assumes a gifted and agile BLACK athlete could be so clumsy and stupid. Y’know. :rolleyes:
I know you are being sarcastic, but this narrative doesn’t imply clumsiness or stupidity. Simpson had likely never killed anyone before and he was probably pissing his pants trying to think of how he would get out of the situation.
I think it was amazing that he was able to put on such a show for Kato and the limo driver after what he had done, and be able to go to Chicago and act normal enough that people didn’t see anything wrong. He successfully got rid of the knife and his bloody clothes even though the police went through the Chicago and L.A. landfills and searched all trash cans between his house and the airport, and then from the airport to his hotel.
His only mistake was dropping two items that were small and easily missed. His whole performance was anything but sloppy or clumsy.
What I’ve never understood was how Simpson could have been coming in the back from his neighbor’s back yard, banging into the air conditioner or whatever it was that Kato Kaelin heard, and dropping the bloody glove behind the guest house while at the same time parking crookedly outside his front gate and walking into the house across the drive, which is what the limo driver saw. In other words the prosecution had him going into the house from the front and the back at the same time and I’ve never heard anyone address this.
I stand to be corrected, but I don’t believe the limo driver ever saw Simpson pull up. The limo driver was parked on the other street. Of course O.J. didn’t know that. The limo driver said that he saw a black man fitting O.J’s description emerge from one of the sides of the property, walk up the driveway, and enter the front door.
http://www.davewagner.com/OJ/images/2rockham.jpg This is a map of the estate. It is clear that if OJ entered the back side near Kato’s place, the only path he could take was the one observed by the limo driver.
Ah, I guess that explains why nobody’s addressed it then. 
Ignorance fought. Thanks.
That is a really nice house
The theory on the glove is that OJ got into a struggle with Goldman and one of the gloves came off during the fight and he couldn’t find it in the dark of the night and had to get out of there so he unintentionally left it. Then, he went back to his house and hopped his fence to go around the back where he accidentally ran into the air conditioner, making a thump sound which Kato thought was an earthquake, and when OJ did that he accidentally dropped the other glove without realizing it.
Here’s the thing for me that doesn’t add up. If OJ did it, everyone agrees it was a monumental bloodbath - blood was everywhere. A huge fight with Goldman - a big struggle. 27 stab wounds on Goldman. Nicole’s throat slashed. Footprints at the crime scene. OJ should have been absolutely covered in blood. The odd thing about this is they found really small traces of blood in the bronco. A tiny spec on the door and a couple of tiny specs inside (total amount was less than what would fit on a fingernail). Nothing on the gas pedal or brakes. Further, OJ, who should be drenched in blood, came home and hopped the fence to his house and ran around back and still didn’t leave any blood? He dropped a hugely bloody glove but not a drop of blood anywhere on the ground near the glove. He went into his house which had beige carpet and there was no blood on the carpet, none in the sink or the shower (which they checked for). What they found were a handful of “drops of blood” pretty much exactly what would come out of a dropper. They were perfect circular drops and there were just a few of them. That makes no sense. 20 minutes after killing two people and being soaked in blood, you wouldn’t leave 5 or 6 perfect blood droplets on the ground a couple miles away. You’d leave big smears and blood everywhere.
There should have been WAY more blood in the Bronco and in his home. They should have found it in the sink when he washed his hands. In the shower when he had to clean himself up. Smears (not perfect droplets) all over the house that he would have left frantically trying to get ready to meet the limo driver. Remember, this guy supposedly stabbed two people in a bloodbath, got in his bronco, raced home, got inside, cleaned himself up and then came back down to the limo to go to the airport in less than hour.
The media narrative goes like this: OJ left a trail of blood at the crime scene, in his bronco, outside of his house and inside of his house. But I actually looked really closely at how much blood are we talking about? And it’s shockingly low. Tiny traces and drops.
Is it possible that Mark Fuhrman found both gloves at the crime scene, and took one of them to OJ’s house and planted it, and also planted the sock in OJ’s bedroom, and also took 1.5CM of the 8CM blood sample that OJ gave the day after the murders and conveniently dropped those in a couple spots as well? Yeah it’s possible.
We know that 1.5cm of the 8cm sample was missing and no explanation was given as to what happened to it. We also know that Fuhrman was asked on the stand whether he planted evidence and he invoked the 5th amendment (feel free to look any of this up).
So, could this narrative be true:
Nicole and Ron are murdered. Mark Fuhrman, who knows OJ’s history, is convinced it’s him. He finds both gloves and the cap at the crime scene. That night, he quickly goes to OJ’s house, hops the fence, and drops the glove in the back (if you research this, Fuhrman had the opportunity to do this). The next day, after interviewing OJ, they take 8cm of blood (which they did). He takes 1.5cm of this blood, goes back to OJ’s house and drops some of it onto his sock and outside and inside. Take a look at the evidence - the blood they found at the house were perfect droplets. Fuhrman then thinks to himself that should be enough to nail him.
You might say, gosh that sounds so implausible. But does it sound more implausible than this?:
OJ is scheduled to fly from Los Angeles to Chicago at 11:45PM. The night he leaves, he goes to McDonalds with Kato, returning around 9:45PM. OJ’s limo is scheduled to pick him up at 10:45PM to go to the airport.
For the next hour, OJ’s wherabouts are disputed and can’t be proven (and the prosecution says this is the window he had to commit the murders). Are we supposed to believe that he gets home from McDonalds at 9:45PM with one hour before the limo driver is set to show up to take him to the airport and suddenly says "I know what I’ll do. I’ll put on a rare pair of Bruno Magli shoes, put on some gloves and a cap, drive down to my wife’s condo in the middle of a popular residential neighborhood, lure her out of the house, and then savagely murder her while my two kids sleep upstairs (hopefully they’re sleeping). So he does that and then the plan goes bad beccause Ron shows up so he’s got to kill him too. And then miraculously, nobody sees any of this in the neighborhood and he makes it back to his house, leaving about 10 perfectly circular tiny drops of blood outside the house and in the foyer and that’s it. He manages to clean himself entirely up without leaving a trace of blood in the shower, sink or carpet, and then comes down to meet the limo driver to go to the airport. And, on the flight to Chicago, goes ahead and chats it up with the pilot of over 30 minutes acting totally normal.
It just doesn’t make sense.
…and is damn lucky that the thirteen policemen already on the scene all either (a) failed to spot the gloves or (b) decided to remain silent about the gloves’ disappearance from the crime scene.
Yep, makes perfect sense.
Any evidence for the claim that OJ should have been “absolutely covered” in blood? Obviously the ground and floor of the scene would have been, because blood is a liquid that seeks its own level…but why should we assume that OJ would be drenched in blood?
Except as has been mentioned about a gazillion times, what happens to Fuhrman (and the 10-20 Police Officers in on the conspiracy) if OJ has been in Australia for the last two weeks filming a movie and you’re in the middle of a frame job for someone who’s 7,500 miles away? How does that work exactly?
It’s reasonable to assume that with the amount of blood at the crime scene, including 27 stab wounds and an obvious struggle with Goldman, and literally slashing Nicole’s head almost off her body, that he should have had blood all over him. This was even difficult for the prosecution to argue, which is why the came up with the story that before he slashed Nicole’s throat that he stood far back from her to avoid getting blood on himself.
Put another way, show me how he *couldn’t" have been covered in blood after those two murders and the obvious huge struggle with Goldman. Hell even the prosecution says he left footprints at the crime scene. He magically took those off and disposed of them while leaving basically a tiny trace of blood on the bronco? It doesn’t add up.
I’m not saying there’s a conspiracy - I’m just trying to look at this objectively.
What if Fuhrman simply waited until he good establish Simpson’s whereabouts to drop the glove. Fuhrman hopped Simpson’s wall at 5:40AM - about 7-8 hours after the murders. The theory would go, Fuhrman waited until he could establish that OJ was home earlier that night (before he left for Chicago), and then dropped the glove. If he discovered that OJ was in Australia, he simply wouldn’t have dropped the glove. For this to hold true you’d have to prove that by 5:40AM he knew OJ had been home that night.
If you believe the rest of the blood evidence was planted (especially the sock), you would have to believe that Fuhrman planted it the next day when the police had 8cm of OJ’s blood that he voluntarily gave them when they questioning him upon his return from Chicago.
It’s not disputed that 1.5cm of that blood is missing, nor that there is a good explanation as to what happened to it. So, you would have to believe that the next day, Fuhrman conveniently dropped a few droplets of blood outside the house, in the foyer and on the sock. Remember, the blood at the house were droplets. The prosecution said droplets because OJ cut his hand during the murders. Yet still just a tiny trace in the Bronco.
Again, I just don’t see how there wasn’t way more blood considering what he had just done.
He stabs Goldman 27 times, has his hat and gloves ripped off in the struggle, slashes Nicole’s throat, and manages to not be covered in blood. Instead, he leaves a few perfect droplets at his house and a couple of tiny traces in the bronco.
I thought he changed his clothes, put the bloody clothing in a bag, and had his lawyer dispose of it for him.
It was established at the trial that within that time frame, he gave a bag to his lawyer, who disposed of it.
(It isn’t aiding and abetting if you don’t know what’s in the bag, right? But it’s hard to imagine any sensible lawyer accepting such an assignment. “Here, take this and dispose of it. Don’t ask what’s in it.” Yeah?)
Yeah, don’t ask what’s in it. And thankfully I brought a bag and a change of clothes when I went to murder them, and I went ahead and just changed next to the dead bodies so I didn’t get too much blood on the bronco.