Kirk is Captain Cook…there were only 12 ships like Enterprise. My personal canon is that he was on the frontier and got away with a lot because he was so highly decorated at such a young age. Not to mention literally saving the universe in one ep. Saving the Federation was a monthly occurrence.
And then we see civilization and bureaucracy and accountability catch up with him somewhat…though he still gets a new ship and “demotion” as punishment in the movies. Saving the Earth has its perks
Uh, no. Anderson couldn’t have pulled off the arrogance, smugness, and condescending air of superiority that John de Lancie exhibited so well as Q.
After learning about all the stupidity that went on behind the scenes, I can’t really blame her.
I haven’t seen the third of the new Star Trek movies yet but wow does the new Kirk come across as smug, unlikeable, arrogant and incompetent, at least Shatner era Kirk had charisma.
I think what sealed it for me was his filing a falsified report at the start of the second movie and treating it as all a bit of laddish hijinks, in any disciplined organisation I know of doing that would get you marched off the grounds and possibly into prison faster than the smirk could fade from your face.
Really, if you’re going to bend and break the rules at least have the backbone to admit to it and explain your reasons why, covering it up just makes you untrustworthy and something of a coward. Spock was right to drop him in it, albeit accidently.
It was just more stupid deconstruction of the character. “If Kirk cheated at the Academy he’d be court-martialled!” “A real guy would run screaming from a mob!” “Kirk should really not have any chance against a Klingon or Khan!! …Now Spock…lets give him Kirk’s stuff!”
Stupid. Three straight movies where Enterprise gets out-classed and out-gunned. Ever since TNG, TPTB seem to think we like seeing our heroes get their asses kicked.
…though Sisko reversed that somewhat…
I blame CGI. During TOS they didn’t have the technology to show the ship getting blown apart realistically. Now they do, and for some reason feel compelled to do so. Even during TNG it happened all the time, though it was always time loops or alternate universes or something.
Sounds like in a realistic universe the new Kirk’s next ship would be a Yugo - the cutting edge of Serbo-Croatian technology. I haven’t forced myself to watch the second movie in the reboot and the third looks even worse.
OK, Anderson as prankster Q, John Larroquette as arrogant Q.
Heck, there’s an entire Q continuum. We could’ve had both of them, plus Markie Post as hot Q.
Richard Moll as physically imposing but dumb as a sack of bricks Q. :smack:
Ohhh-kay.
Sisko even had the balls to punch Q in the face.
“You hit me! Picard never hit me.”
“I’m not Picard.”
Hi, Dirk Q.
Hornblower. Roddenberry habitually referred to Kirk as a “space-age Horatio Hornblower.”
Picard was supposed to be another Jacques Cousteau. More an explorer than a military man.
You wanted Spock to die and let some primitives with what appears to be bird shit smeared all over their bodies die in a massive volcano because Prime Directive?
No, it wasn’t treated as laddish hijinks. Kirk got in quite a bit of trouble from what I recall.
Right. Starfleet demoted Kirk, but Pike used his pull to have Kirk assigned as his first officer on the Enterprise.
I love Sisko so much. (in a non-homosexual way)
Thanks for clarifying.
I also love Sisko. Loved the tense, conflict-laden handoff from Picard to Sisko at the opening of DS9. Message received: this ain’t your mama’s Star Trek.
Punching is better than talking?
Noted.
Sisko was a no-bullshit badass.
If you’re dealing with a nearly omnipotent being who barely regards you as sentient, sometimes you gotta go with what you’ve got.
Besides, Q asked for it. He’s the one who challenged Sisko to a bare knuckles fight.
Speaking of Q, obliquely, the best episode of TNG had to be the one where Picard first met Vash. She was awesome.