How Did You Come About NOT Believing?

I was a born-again Christian when I was younger. I was rather gullible at the time and bought into the whole black-and-white, believe Jesus or go to hell kind of thing. However, as I grew up and slowly learned to look at things critically, many aspects of Christianity started to look more or more like bullshit. For example, the Old Testament and New Testament are like two completely different religion with contradictory messages. How could a God who supposedly loves the world possibly perform the many atrocities in the OT? What Jesus taught in the gospel also seemed to contradict quite a bit with what the modern evangelical church teaches, which tends to be more in line with Paul. Why does God need people to worship him? Is he feeling insecure :p? Why does God need people to serve him? It sounds like just a bullshit excuse to get people to run the institution. The questions just kept on mounting. The hypocrisy of the people in the church also didn’t leave a good impression.

Similar to another poster above, the history courses in the university also opened my eyes. I realised that perhaps Christianity really wasn’t that unique, and I also saw what people had done in the name of religion.

I have never believed. Since I was a big fan of dinosaurs when I was a kid, I learned about things like plate tectonics (which had evidence) long before I knew about creation myths (which didn’t), so I knew that even the more interesting myths were just stories. By the time I finished high school my opinion of religion had changed from “wrong” to “wrong and annoying”, thanks in no small part to Christian groups who would come to the school to perform plays about Jesus.

I never believed, not even a little hint of belief. We went to church when I was a kid, nothing sunk in at all. I’m a little jealous of people with faith, it seems like a comforting thing.

Kicking and screaming.

My husband tried every thing he could, because he knew that I was TERRIFIED of eternal hell fire, and he really thought it was a matter of my mental health. (he wasn’t my husband at the time, we were just kids). Because I thought for sure that the fact that I had so many doubts about all of Christianity, because my faith was so weak, that I may really burn forever.

My dad had tried too, to no avail, but my husband did not quit. Of all of the tactics he tried, the truth finally sank into my head through the teachings of a group of people that called themselves 5 Percenters. They taught that man was God and God was man. They taught a whole lot of other things that I can not get on board with at all, but their teaching me that one thing changed me from my ‘Christian’ mindset. My husband was not a ‘5 Percenter’, but to this day, he credits them with bringing me out of a darkness, and I have to credit them with that also.

After that, I was able to drink up all of the books and information that my husband shared with me, without the threat hanging in my mind that taking in this information would mean my eternal torment. That was an amazing time in my life, really. It wasn’t until many years later that I would ever have any kind of ‘unanswerable questions’ plague me again. For a long time though, I was in an Oasis of new learning and light, and it was an incredible feeling.

In the interest of full disclosure, though, I consider myself more pantheistic than I am atheist.

I’m kind of with Grumman and Glory, there. I wasn’t raised with any sort of religious identity. Although I’m sure my mom was involved in my religious education - such that it was - I feel like it was almost entirely left up to me. We didn’t go to church, and I never felt a need or desire for “faith,” or even understand what that meant. I don’t think I really understand what that means now.

As a kid I loved myths and legends, but I never felt that the stories of Jesus - which I learned almost entirely from the original cast recording of Jesus Christ Superstar - were any more or less believable than the stories of Greek, Roman, Hindu, Egyptian or Native American Gods I eagerly devoured. I completely got that people needed to create explanations for the miracles of life before science came around (and the more creative the explanations, the better), but since we now had the fossil record, astronomy, physics and so on, there didn’t seem much point believing in Adam & Eve any more than believing we all lived on the back of a giant cosmic turtle. I remember clearly thinking - at a very early age, 5 or 6 - that if Heaven was “up” and Hell was “down” but there was no “up” or “down” in space, then there was no way that either Heaven or Hell could exist. So when my grandmother would arrange play-dates with her (Methodist) church’s Sunday school kids I would be dismissive and snobby, because I thought if they went to church and bought that Heaven and Hell garbage, they must be dumbasses.

That said, I can’t say I’m 100% a skeptic. I guess the closest I can get is to say I believe in “The Force.” You know, like Star Wars? Not the telekenisis and mind-reading (or, for Og’s sake, the Midichlorians!), but the general idea of an energy that connects all living things. Or maybe that’s just another way of saying you have respect for yourself and others.

This is fascinating reading for me. Who knew some of the stories could so parallel one another?

Nzinga, I only wish this had happened to me. My husband was instrumental too, in the way that he had to pound it into my head that one really can’t do more than there best. :frowning: So, this has been such a gradual thing, with every puzzle piece that clicks into place being hard fought for, that there’s still so much that can trip me up and send me to my unhappy place (IE: being terrified of eternal hellfire that some of know so well) it makes me angry.

For example, it’s only been within the past several years that I’ve understood the circular reasoning behind (at least biblical literalist) religion. Similarly, truly thinking about “original sin” and the concept that we’re doomed right from birth was a shocker. Or finally, the idea that God set up the system in such a way that He had to sacrifice His own son because he loved us the most, but if we failed to believe in the right way dammit…

Therefore, all the book exposes that I’ve read help, but not quite enough. Perhaps by the time I’m hitting my 80s I’ll stop having nightmares about it. On the other hand, if the ideology is to be believed, that’s when I’m really in trouble. Because the Holy Spirit has given up on me and my heart has been hardened. Handbasket for sure then.

I think the only time I ever really believed was when I still believed in everything–Santa, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, the works.

But when I was 7 or 8 we had a class to take before getting baptized. The first thing we studied was the 10 commandments. And boy, was I ever a pest. “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” Easy enough, right? Everybody else bought it. I said, “What, there are other gods?” Onward…no adultery. What’s adultery? Well, that’s for adults. Okay, onward…what’s a graven image?

Honestly, it was like my Sunday School teachers had never had anybody question these things before. Are they hard questions? What’s a graven image? The picture I get in my head is, like, the illustrated tablets of the 10 commandments we had in our church.

So I got dunked, and all, but by then I knew that I was a fraud who didn’t really believe, and I was going to go straight to hell, not that heaven sounded much good to me, either. I once asked my grandmother if we would have to eat in heaven. I was not much into food–still not, as a matter of fact. But she laid her own interpretation on it and started waxing eloquently about milk and honey. Well, yuck.

I never heard anything that made religion sound at all good to me and a lot of it was just plain creepy. Then in college I had a roommate who told me her family was so wacky that on friday they unscrewed the light bulb in the refrigerator so they wouldn’t accidentally turn it on when opening the door, which made me realize that other religions were equally nutty.

As a kid, I was lucky enough to have parents who weren’t particularly religious: mother might be described as a sort of ultra-generic non-churchgoing Christian; father a long-since lapsed Catholic who has had his share of fights with the Church. (Including a mildly amusing one that involves my baptism and the local parish priest.) If I wanted to go to church/vacation bible school with a friend of my mother’s, that was just fine; if not, that was fine too. For a long time I did go to the VBS and weekday night sort of things–I liked the crafts, and the stories. At some point–I’m thinking around puberty, when I started to notice things sexual (and to figure out that I was probably bisexual)–I started to have issues with the morality. There were plenty of things that seemed harmless that would get you on the road to hell, after all. Worse, God must’ve knowingly created folks in such a way as they’d be very likely, perhaps certain, to do those things. I couldn’t respect, much less worship, such a creature.

From there, I was (and perhaps to a lesser degree, still am) somewhat spiritual. I started looking through the New Age/Pagan section of the bookstore. I liked some aspects of wicca/paganism–the reverence for nature and the seasons were appealing; the often hokey poetry wasn’t. I eventually found myself attracted to Thelema, and dabbled in it fairly extensively; I’m a lapsed member of the OTO.

I’ve since had a second turning away, so to speak. The magical/supernatural aspects of Thelema, to be entirely honest, always felt somewhat hollow. I would have to stifle giggles when I saw people doing rituals, and personally felt somewhat silly myself–I never felt that anything was really ‘happening’ when I traced pentagrams and chanted Names. I wanted to, but I didn’t. So, gradually, I’ve left that behind as well.

It’s a journey still. I’m still fond of old Crowley’s nonsense, and I still like certain aspects of neo-paganism. I feel envious of the community that believers typically have, the sense of family in a church or synagogue. I’m also beginning to feel that there may be something of value in ‘going through the motions,’ whether or not there’s something out there to appreciate them. Call it religion for my benefit, rather than God’s.

I’m sure I’ll figure it all out, though, or do a passable job faking it. No worries here any more.

My mom’s side is ex-Catholic and my dad’s side is 7th Day Adventist. When I was a kid my grandparents would drag me off to church, but I found it intolerably boring. I vaguely remember asking the “wrong” questions at Sunday school, which resulted in not having to go back more than a few times. Eventually my grandparents got tired of me making paper airplanes out of the tithe envelopes and driving smuggled Hot Wheels around the pews, so they let me stay home and watch Saturday morning cartoons.

While I inherited a certain amount of cynicism towards Christian religions from my mom, some of her more neopagan ideas rubbed off on me too, at least when I was younger. She was very much into Native American beliefs, and my stepfather practiced Scottish druidry. For a time I believed there were various sorts of spirits roaming around, some friendly and some not, and some sort of greater cosmic force that was called God, or Zeus, or Odin.

It wasn’t until I moved in with my girlfriend and went back to school that all that belief finally fell away. It was never very firmly in place to begin with; I was always much more interested in reading about dinosaurs and star formation and computers than any sort of religious text.

I have very vague memories of going to Sunday school as a young 'un, but only a couple of times. To me, god was just that bloke in the sky who caused thunder by moving his furniture around and made it rain when he had a wee. As usedtobe mentioned, he was in with Santa and the tooth fairy.

This was a l-o-n-g time ago. We went to an Episcopal church when I was a kid and I got christened and did the Sunday School thing and all that. I wasn’t impressed with the attitudes or behavior of the adults at my church. In addition, I encountered some hostility towards me at church, due to my last name. I read Huston Smith’s The Religions of Man. I was reading one of Dad’s geology books and found a US Army publication that had been given to troops, including Dad while he was in the 69th, about what had been going on a the death camps in Germany. I put it all together and concluded that there was no god, and even the people who were pushing faith the hardest didn’t actually show any sign of believing the stuff they were spouting. So, when I was in 5th grade, I told my parents I wasn’t going to church any more. I haven’t been to church, except for weddings and funerals of friends and relatives, since then.

I was a very devout Christian from the ages of 11is to 16ish. Devout, as in, took my Bible to school with me. I got more open-minded as I went along, in part because I made some friends who were openly gay and quite different from me in their world outlook. It was in high school that I first confronted the fact that Christianity isn’t even the world’s most prevalent religion. That really motivated me to start questioning my beliefs–not even the majority of the world’s people are in agreement on this?

Second, I lost my faith in my church community. Up until that point I was really actively involved and spent 2-3 days a week doing church activities. I was extremely close to my pastor’s family–he had six kids. I was hanging out with a bunch of kids after Sunday school and the boy I was in love with, my pastor’s oldest son, decided to bring up the issue of homosexuality and my friends spewed so much revolting hate that it pretty much annihilated any respect I had for them in that single day. I left the church and did not return.

Next, a number of horribly shitty things happened to me in quick succession that I could not reconcile with a benevolent god. I won’t get into it here, but it was deep, schema-altering shit to go through at 17. I knew I was losing my faith and I prayed about it many times. Eventually God just disappeared. I wasn’t actively thinking about myself as a nonbeliever until I was a freshman in college. I took a course on Friedrich Nietzsche. I will never, ever forget the day I read these words:

This was, in fact, a heart-thudding perfect description of how it felt to be without God. This was terrifying to me, but as I kept reading more and more of Nietzsche’s works, I found that he ultimately offers a message of hope. You start with nothing, true, but this allows you to create whatever you want in its place. It’s scary to be rudderless, but it also means the sky is the limit. This is how I first learned that destruction is a form of creation.

I couldn’t overstate how profoundly the works of Nietzsche influence my personal outlook. He really is a kind of hero to me.

After a couple years reading Nietzsche and other existentialists and completely tearing down the old constructs, I was ready to rebuild again. I chose Buddhism.

Heh. I guess I could participate in both threads.

First grade.

Sister Loyola Marguerite told us that “pagan babies” go to “limbo”.
I was horrified and I recited what I had to, but I just couldn’t praise a god who would send innocent babies to limbo.

I faked it for many years - I took First Communion and Confirmation since they were part of the program in Catholic School, but I’ve always wondered how people could praise this truly evil god. (this is how I see it - I don’t mean to offend,

I was raised Catholic and sometime around when I was 11 I stopped daydreaming in church and noticed how creepy the whole thing was. A bunch of people get together once a week and chant in monotone. So I listened to what they were chanting and it was really wacky stuff. I listened to the Nicene Creed and I didn’t believe a single thing stated in it.

My mother is very involved in the church, so as a kid I spent a lot of time in the company of priests, both at church functions and in our home. Three of the priests I grew up with turned out to be molesters. I was always dubious that the priesthood was a calling from God, and the sexual abuse scandal cemented that doubt. There is no God. If there were, why would he want the lowest of the low to do his work on Earth?

The realization that there is no God made it easier to be a good person. When I was trying to follow the rules laid down by the Catholic church, I was conflicted as what I knew to be right sometimes didn’t match with what the church wanted me to do. Now I can just do what is right without the fear that I will be punished by a capricious deity when I die.

I never really believed. My parents weren’t religious (though we did celebrate some of the Jewish holidays) and we didn’t go to synagogue at all (except for a year or so in my teens when they started taking us. I found it all boring).

As for God, it was an interesting concept, but not one I believed in. In my late teens, I came up with the “Zeus” argument – Why don’t we worship Zeus? And Apollo? And didn’t their worshipers believe in him as much as current ones do in God? Why are they wrong and you right?

I was raised Baptist. My family sent me to a private Christian school for lots of brainwashing, and paid lip service to the faith, but I noticed they never went to church themselves. My brother and I would be dropped off at Sunday school now and then.

As a kid, I was terrified of the whole Hell idea. The worst of it was, I knew I wasn’t “hearing the voice of the Lord” or feeling “joy” or any of the stuff I was supposed to. Also, I had questions, but when I asked them I got very unsatisfactory answers, and if I kept asking them, people got pissed off. I felt angry at being put in this unbearable position. Finally, I realized that pretending to believe wasn’t going to help me, because God would know. So I stopped pretending, though I still had hope belief would magically come and save me.

As I got older, I started to investigate other beliefs, including Satanism. My grandmother, in the meantime, had grown much more religious, and since I lived with her we clashed a lot. My grandma is a God-said-it, I-believe-it, that-settles-it type, and a very stubborn person to boot. She forced me to go to church nearly every time the doors were open. I developed a complete hatred of the whole thing.

In the meantime, my investigations were getting me nowhere. No religions I had read about held any interest for me. By now my thinking had evolved to a loose “everyone finds God in their own way”, but even free of the structures of religion, I was reaching out and finding nothing. Now I called myself an agnostic.

By the time I came here, I was leaning hard toward atheism, and as you know, the Dope is a happy place for atheists. I finally was able to let go of this idea that I must try to find God, and realized that there never was an empty space in me that needed to be filled. I’m fine with no god, and always was! This letting go has filled me with more joy and relief than anything I ever heard in church. The world makes more sense this way.

I still struggle with a lot of bitterness towards Christianity, especially as Grandma grows more fundamentalist and Mom seems likely to follow in her footsteps. The Dope helps me there too, because I know there are Christian posters here that I am very fond of, and they are far more thoughtful than the ones I know personally.

I am the daughter of a minister (two actually, although my mom never really worked as one) and have realized that the biblical god was pretty friggin’ unlikely for as long as I can remember. My mom tells me that I expressed the following sentiment at about 6 or 7, “What’s this about the resurrection? Once you’re dead, you’re dead!” In second grade I dug my heels in and stopped going to Sunday school. Pretty amazing, considering that my dad was the pastor. What clinched it was when I started learning about the Greek, Roman and Norse gods in school. I was like, aha! Anyone can make up a theology, can’t they? How is it these Gods aren’t real, but the one in the bible is? Obviously he is NOT!

My parents took me to Church (Congregational) each Sunday. (I don’t think they were very religious, but it was an generally accepted custom in England 50 years ago).
I studied in Sunday School and also took a ‘religious knowledge’ option at school.

By the time I was 15, there were a number of worrying concerns:

  • the Gospel accounts of the Resurrection differ significantly and anyway were written a generation after the event (and if Jesus didn’t rise, there goes Christianity)
  • there are major disagreements over the Bible (Judaism / Protestant / Catholic / Eastern Orthodox)
  • there are many sects (Baptist, Congregational, Lutheran, Methodist…)
  • there is no evidence to support any religious belief

So I asked my Sunday School teacher (who I respected) and he agreed there was no proof. He said it was a purely matter of faith.
Well if God exists, he didn’t give me any faith.

So now I’m an atheist.

I never lost what I never had.

My parents were from mixed religious backgrounds. My father’s family were Catholic, of the flavor that they believed anything a priest told them and had crucifixes all over the house, but I don’t know how much time they actually spent in churches.

My mother’s family were Lutherans, of the flavor that they went to church like clockwork – every Christmas and Easter. They occasionally mentioned God and every so often threw in a half-assed, “God is Great, God is Good, Come on mama, bring on the food” grace at dinner.

It was always at loggerheads, so I’m told, and so I recall. I can remember the first butting of heads when I was around 5 and my father’s family insist that I be baptized. My mother begrudgingly went along with it. I remember being petrified. I had no idea what being baptized entailed. But I can clearly recall thinking it sounded alot like “hypnotized” and all I knew is that I didn’t want anything done to me that ended in “-ized.”

So anyway, not long after that, I was 7, the family moved to a predominantly Catholic rural town. My father had long ago given up anything religious* and my mother was more than happy to ignore anything Catholic, and by extension, religious since that was the only game in town.

[*A particular story my dad tells, that still pisses him off to this day, is how the local priest would pull up to their house in his brand new Lincoln Continental demanding his tithe, which my grandparents felt obligated to give him even though they didn’ t have two nickels to rub together.]

Personally, my earliest religious experiences were always confusing and scary to me. My paternal grandmother had this portrait of Christ that look so fucking creepy to me that I was scared to walk past it. The gothic decor of the Lutheran church I’d gone to a few times as a child made me think of Frankenstein’s laboratory. There was just nothing about religion that filled me with any sort of good will. It was all scare tactics (God will be mad at you) or a general malaise about it as a whole.

Once I started thinking for myself, somewhere in my teens, I relized that all the stories I’d been told about religion (at least the prominent ones my family were involved with) were absolutely ridiculous on the surface. Noah’s ark? Parting the Red Sea? Staffs turned into serpants? Burning bushes that talked? I took it all in and realized what a schuck it all was.

So that was the personal turning of my back, I guess you could say. But still, as I learned more about the world and the world’s religions it occurred to me how arrogant it is of virtually every religion to proclaim truths based on nothing more than myths and faith, to the extent that any other religion is ostensibly ruled out. In my book, that just rules them all out.
Short answer to the OP: What led me to “lose my religion” (although it’s more accurate to state "What led me to not subscribe to a religion in the first place) was my ability to reason.

Like some others, I didn’t have a parent who pushed religion on me, so I didn’t ever believe in the existence of a God (capitalized out of politeness). I don’t think I’m an athiest, because I can’t prove or disprove anything, and in fact, I think religion (or at least what I know of Christianity) is a kind of trick: you start with the statement that the lack of proof of God’s existence is a core part of “believing,” so you can conveniently win all arguments with rational people.

By about the age of 10 or 11, I knew friends getting ready for their confirmations, and a big part of being Catholic was, apparently, to say that you were a sinner and could only strive to seek forgiveness, and I knew that these sinners I was talking to were nice people, so it just didn’t make any sense.

Then as I started thinking about the trinity that Christians obsess over, and heard of purportedly “good” pre-Christian people spending eternity in (a nice part of) hell because they didn’t have the chance to be saved by Jesus, the whole thing just seemed like a pile of horse shit. I think this is the core of my not believing: why would really nice, decent people be consigned to hell because they don’t go to church and eat a cracker?

Mind, I still think there may be some omnicscient and omnipotent something-or-other sitting at the base of everything, but only in the most abstract sense (for instance, we all might just be a dream that Buddha is having). But what’s the point? What’s the conclusion from reading about Job? If a judgmental God exists, he’s kind of a dick, and I’m not going to pander to him.