I think Raspberry means she is loyal because her bosses are not dysfunctional.
Sometimes, Atilla type managers can be very effective.
You will have learned a great deal, and you may well find that this has helped turn you into a good candidate for another post, and in a positive way.
If leaving is 90% about the style of management, you have to also ask yourself if you will perform any better in another place.
Are you certain that you will continue to be motivated, or will you be even better?
I am not suggesting you stay but be realistic as well. Money, working atmosphere, chance to expand, more opportunities all count, and have you ever asked for an appraisal, have you ever sought career development guidance from her?
The hiring manager had to postpone until Monday. The boss said, “See? Is that how they’ll treat you?” I told her things happen, and I no more hold it against him than I would her.
I’m a pretty self-motivated person. I don’t expect a new job to the panacea for all my ills. However, I know several people who have moved from my current division to the other, and they all say it’s a much different management style, with much less stress. And really, although there are things I don’t like about my current job, it’s not intolerable. I’ve worked at jobs where my stomach hurt every day. I guess I’m older and more easy going about it. Part of it is I truly don’t care about my manager’s opinion of me personally. I’m not afraid of disappointing her. I’m good at my job, and whether she likes me or not doesn’t change that.
I get my mid-year review next Monday (rotten timing!). I’m sure I’ll be rated above average.
StG
Yes, this.
(I actually applied for another job a while back – though I didn’t end up taking it – when our department was not getting much work and I wasn’t working as much as I wanted, and I had to inform my boss at a particular point. His response was something along the lines of, “Well, I’m not happy to hear that, but I totally understand.”)
Well there was a reason Atilla the Hun is still regarded as one of history’s great leaders compared to his lesser known predecessor Bob the Hun from Marketing.
The question is what does “loyalty” even mean in a corporate sense. I mean I’m “loyal” in the sense that I have a vested interest in the success of my company. I’m not a “that’s not my job” type. My “job” is to help the company succeed however I can. I am not, however, so “loyal” that I am willing to tolerate compensation significantly below market value, abuse or mistreatment, or accepting a role or position that is contrary to my long term career goals and interests.
I had my 2nd interview today. It went very well, with the hiring manager’s director saying “you have everything we’re looking for” and telling me he’d be talking to the hiring manager and they’d get back with me. According to a friend who does a lot of work with this guy, he never says anything he doesn’t mean.
And in my mid-year review, I got “Above Target”. The corporate directive for reviews is that 75% of employees are to be rated “On Target”. 10% are to be Needs Improvement", 10% are to be Above Target" and 5% are to be “Outstanding”. I’ve been in this new position just over a year, so being rated Above Target is good. My last review in my old position was outstanding. My boss still told me today that she would consider it to be disloyal to entertaining the thought of another job, but then basically insulted my ethics by telling me every person has different standards.
So we’ll see what the next couple of days brings. Stay tuned…
StG
Attila sounds like a bitch. Hope you get the new position, StG.
I wonder if Attila really is a bitch or the OP is projecting “bitch female manager” stereotype on her?
No, I’m pretty sure that she is just relating the words of “crazy bitch manager lady,” a character I am intimately familiar with, unfortunately.
Atilla has her bitchy moments, like when I went into the break room when I got to work and said good morning and her response was that there was mud on my shoes - did I bring a pair to change into? We’d had 2" of rain and I live on a farm. These weren’t my farm boots - there was some mud on the sole.
In many ways, though, I think she wants me to succeed. But the only way she sees that happening is by trying to make me into a little clone-Atilla. I’ve been a manager at other companies, and she’d like to make me a manage here. But I don’t have any desire to be a manager for my company - I’m not willing to put up with what they put up with. Atilla is also personally very unsharing about herself. I don’t know anything about her except that she’s a big Jimmy Buffett fan. I don’t know if she;s married, straight, gay or in between. It’s hard to feel any personal attachment to someone who gives back so little.
I told the hiring director today that I was in an enviable spot - I’m not desperate for a new job. But that doesn’t mean I’m not looking to improve my personal happiness.
StG
Well, jeez, she can’t be all that bad if she’s a Jimmy Buffett fan!
BTW: My formal offer is coming through this week. This is the first time in 12 years that I’ve intentionally changed jobs: feels weird, and good.
Hope you get some good news soon!
Then she’s completely confused about life. I always encourage my employees to keep me informed of their ambitions and work with them to achieve those. I push them to do necessary training to move up to the next level. I know which one I think should have my position when I move up, and include him in the thought process for difficult decisions so he’ll be more prepared when the time comes.
People are going to have careers and do what is right for them. If you manage by relationship, then they will let you know ahead of time and you’ll have time to prepare for changes. The last one of mine to leave was including me in her decision making a year in advance of her final departure. I hated to lose her, but I also helped her with her resume adn gave her excellent references.
Attila would be lucky to get two weeks notice from any of her employees, as they are all afraid of what her behavior might be during the interim. Bad for the company. and bad for her long term, because if you were at a new company and she came to interview, I’m sure you’d head straight tothe hiring manager and say “Heck no - toxic alert!”
Bolding mine.
Then she’s an idiot.
YAY ME - I got an e-mail today from the hiring manager that said to expect an offer from the corporate recruiter.
StG
Congratulations!!!
That’s so awesome!
Well done from a thread lurker. Enjoy.
Congrats. I hope to find myself in a similar situation…moving away from the jerk boss into a different department