I’ve had to deal with infertility in my marriage and being poor in my life. Have you experienced either? If you haven’t you are NOT as qualified as I am judge people in those categories.
If having children was so important to person B she shouldn’t have waited so long to start having children. Plenty of women have juggled kids and education at the same time, it’s stressful and tiring but hardly rocket science. My oldest sister got her second, third, and fourth degrees AFTER she had kids, one of them with a serious chronic health issue. Sure, she wound up going to medical school later than most medical students but she had a family AND she’s a doctor so in the end she had it all, didn’t she? But if she had done medical school early and didn’t try to have kids until after 40 she likely wouldn’t have the kids. Instead, she had the kids first THEN went to medical school after 40
I’m not saying an infertile woman shouldn’t have IVF, I’m saying if she wants it she has to pay for it. A poor infertile woman - even one who CAN afford a kid - doesn’t get help for HER infertility, why should anyone else? Is it any less a medical condition because woman is poor?
Yes, I think IVF is a poor decision - but that’s my opinion. I think a lot of things people spend their money on are stupid, but if it’s their money and they can meet their basic bills I don’t care and it’s none of my business.
No one’s paycheck is “docked”. And the idea is not to generate another person but to feed people already here and alive. Your taxes pay for public school for everyone, not just the poor kids. If you lobbied your legislature to let medicaid pay for birth control and abortions maybe more poor women would take those options. And, oh horrors - feeding people who have nothing is bleeding you dry?
And no, she doesn’t have have to give up having children - she might just have to raise a child who isn’t biologically related. Millions of people have adopted, some of them perfectly capable of having children themselves.
It’s not fair that a woman only has a relatively short window of time in which to conceive - from menarche to about 35-40. It’s not about “fair”, it’s about biological facts.
We treat those not primarily because of infertility (which isn’t universal in either case) but because the have wide-ranging health effects. “Too old for viable eggs” is a state all women inevitably reach.
No, you’re not. You THINK you are, but you treat them as less than yourself.
Unless you promoted universal health coverage yes, you ARE denying people health care. I don’t know your position on that, are you for or against? (If you don’t want to add that tangent I’m OK with that, too)
What is your local government’s position on the homeless and/or tent cities? Do they try to provide services for those people, or do they have the police pick them up and foist them on some other community, or go to their tent cities and cut their tents apart to “discourage” them from camping, destroying those peoples’ only shelter? Do you even know how the homeless and poor are treated in your area?
Do you support your local food pantries? They’re all overstretched these days. Or, alternatively, do you help individuals? I’m poor as dirt, but I have enough dirt to garden - I not only harvest it for me, since mid-summer I’ve been dropping off a grocery bag full of vegetables every week or two to four other people who are even worse off than I am (two are disabled, two are a mother-daughter family. By the way - the mother didn’t give birth to her daughter, she adopted her.. Then the economy fell out from under them). Do you campaign for better school lunches for the poor kids in your area? What do you DO to help the less fortunate? Really, I want to hear that you’re helping others.
Good.
Did you know that food stamp benefits were reduced at one point last year? Despite rising food prices? Because, you know, it’s more important to balance the budget by trimming a food benefit for the poor than letting a tax cut for millionaires expire.
Sure - but loshan and I are living that horror story. It can make us cranky some days. Hearing about it is very different than actually experiencing it.
Once again - you are under the impression that that is a far higher percentage of the poor than is the actual case. Particularly since 2007.
Hey, my spouse never finished high school - he got a GED, then a bachelor’s, then a master’s. Unfortunately, then he also got disabled. But maybe you shouldn’t give up too soon on people. Yeah, sometimes people make a bad choice when they’re young. Rather than throw them on the trash heap, though, I’d rather society support them trying again, trying to fix the mistake, trying a different choice, having a second chance. Or yes, even a third.
Blocking access to BOTH birth control and abortion is not helping poor women control their fertility.
We should fund drug *treatment *far more generously than we do - but our society would rather build prisons.
I could go on, but this post is long enough.
OK, fine - you sent them. They just never arrived in my box. If you’re too busy maybe loshan can forward me a copy of what you sent.