I don’t care how you deal with anyone else, but I’m just going to let you know what my rule is for you, and for anyone else that does what you’re doing:
Unless and until you demonstrate that you can and will accurately characterize whatever it is I’ve said, I will not respond to anything that does not include DIRECT QUOTES OF MY POSTS that contain exactly the words you claim I’ve said.
Thank you.
(this is actually a rule I should just impose across the board, come to think of it…)
I’m surprised those were the ones you didn’t like - I figured you’d be mad about stuff with the word “gum” in it, which is indeed an unfortunate ingredient. “Smoke flavor” is a bad word to you? You don’t have any Liquid Smoke hanging around for brisket and such? You make your own Liquid Smoke? Dehydrated chicken broth - um, it’s chicken broth minus water. Ditto “chicken powder”. I mean, it’s not something I’d use when cooking, but it’s hardly a major food sin. It doesn’t look like something from a hardware store. Now, “natural flavors” generally means “comes from a factory”. Maltodextrin is sugar. Bleached wheat flour is… flour. Now, I make a lot of stuff with whole grains, but white flour is not some great sin like people would have you think.
Now, here’s the list for Ball Park hotdogs - it doesn’t LOOK as scary because it’s much shorter, but how many of these things can you draw a picture of?
Beef, Water, Corn Syrup, contains Less than Two Percent Salt, Potassium Lactate, Sodium Phosphates, Flavorings, Sodium Diacetate, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)Sodium Nitrite, Extractives of Paprika.
I’d say that’s way grosser a list, even though it doesn’t look as shocking in print, just because what needs to be in a hotdog? Meat, water, spices, right? So what the hell is the rest of that stuff? Most of the Lean Cuisine stuff (MOST, I said) belongs in food - it’s factory versions of what real people cook with.
Yeah, but you’re forgetting that the ham hock has a significant amount of meat and also skin that is not consumed, which is where much of the fat lies. 65% fat, 35% protein, but not all the fat will be available as it’s the skin. Since it’s now thought that fats in the diet are less a soure of weight gain than carbs, that’s a good meal.
Well, none of it makes me “mad.” I just don’t want to eat it. And, as I said, those were some of the ingredients I’d like to know more about and/or prefer not to consume. Xanthan gum is another of those.
No, “smoke flavor” is not a “bad word” to me. I just don’t want to consume “smoke flavor.” Condensates of smoke possibly mixed with other ingredients? I’ll pass.
Chicken broth is the liquid part of chicken soup. Chicken broth can contain a lot of different things. Dehydrated chicken broth is loaded with sodium. I prefer not to eat this type of dehydrated product.
Chicken powder? Interesting, but I can’t find out what this really is in this case. What I did find, when I checked earlier, was that “chicken powder” can mean different things and can contain ingredients like MSG. In any case, I prefer not to eat this type of ingredient. Chicken is one thing. Chicken flavorings and other flavor enhancers don’t really turn me on.
Natural flavors? Yeah, what does that mean, exactly? What does it mean in this product? I don’t know, maybe you think it’s weird, but I just want to know what I’m eating. Yes, I am curious about what I’m putting into my body. Crazy, right?
Maltodextrin is a polysaccharide usually derived from corn or potatoes in the U.S. It’s a food additive that qualifies as a sweetener. I’m pretty picky about sweeteners and prefer to stick with raw sugar. I’ll pass on the maltodextrin.
I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree on some of this stuff. I don’t have a problem with that. You eat what you find acceptable and I’ll do the same. Enjoy.
I know, I’m just saying I used to take them for lunch – they were pretty convenient. And some of them are quite tasty.
And yeah, I’ll eat a frozen pizza every so often, when I don’t have time to make myself dinner.
But for the most part, I like healthy stuff. Like today for lunch, I had a salad, and then some yogurt. (Gotta keep poopin’!)
I have given you very detailed. frank answers to your very personal questions that explain exactly what I mean and where I’m at. You obviously aren’t giving them any more consideration than needed to locate something to craft some bait from.
This is General Questions.
I don’t feel like playing your game anymore. Go hassle someone else.
At seven pages, if there’s any factual questions that haven’t been answered yet, I don’t think they’re gonna get answered. The rest of this can be hashed out in GD.
Actually the OP’s real question never did get answered. The thread drifted like all fattie threads do, with people asking why the obese don’t just stop stuffing thier faces, and the resident fat apologists trotting out the same old excuses for why they are fat.
But…the actual question was not answered… Most folks will only tolerate gaining so much extra weight (usaully 20 or 30 lbs) before they go “enough is enough”. Then they either start watching what they eat so they don’t gain any more weight or reduce their calorie intake and lose the fat. And then there are people who…just keep stuffing their faces anyway, even though they become increasingly miserable as they balloon into super-obesity. The OP can be summed up with this question:
“What exactly is the thought process of a hugely obese person who makes a concsious, deliberate choice to buy and take home an entire cheescake, knowing perfectly well that they will lose control and eat the whole thing in one sitting later that day”?
It’s been explained extensively, backed up by cites and personal anecdotes.
Can you explain the thought process of someone who makes a conscious deliberate choice to read an entire thread on the subject of how people become fat, ignores the answers and makes the conscious, deliberate choice to repeatedly use demeaning language to refer to fat people and their behavior, knowing that it’s ugly, mean, and without value to anyone? Can you explain what drives a person to act like that?
Check out this story about a woman who watched what she ate, stuck to her exercise routine and gained weight anyway due to a health issue.
When I spoke to a endocrinologist he asked if I had been eating more during a period when I had gained some weight. I said I assumed I had, but it did not seem so at the time. He called assuming I had been eating more circular logic and indicated that it was not so simple as that.
I read recently (I am looking for the article to site it) of one case of a person who ate a great deal and never gained weight was recently solved, her intestine was much shorter than usual.
Everybody is not the same and everyone varies over time. The human experience is broader than you think.
The drawbacks associated with eating an entire cheesecake (weight gain, acid reflux, etc) are a price they consider worth paying for eating an entire cheesecake in one sitting.
However, the question that was actually asked is, “So how do people end up like this? Life has so many pleasures, does eating have to be the be all and end all for some people?”
The answer to that question is:
There are many reasons why some people end up morbidly obese and in power chairs. Some of them are there due to medical problems that make them gain weight. Some of them are there because of injuries that prevent them from walking which encourages rapid weight gain. Others are there because of cripping depression or other mental illnesses that encourage people to self medicate with food. Still others are there because to them being heavy and unable to walk is a price worth paying for eating a 3,000 calorie dessert today. The point where enough is enough is different for everyone.
This was answered pages and pages ago (post #8 actually) but people just can’t accept that everyone is different and people each have their own priorities. They need to get their digs in at people they feel are too lazy and weak to be worth a little respect or they need to argue a point to death because they are tired of feeling insulted. Every single person in this thread knows that, barring serious mental illness, everyone who overeats is aware of the consequences and has made a choice with that knowledge. This is the same for people who know they are destroying their lungs with cigarettes or chancing serious disease/pregnancy from unprotected sex. The only reason to keep harping about this for 7 pages or more is to insult people either for being fat or for being judgemental.
The only thing you have done in this thread is say: “Eat less. Who cares about anything else, just eat less. Anyone can do it. If you eat less you’ll get thin. Nothing matters except eating less. So just eat less.”
That is not an answer to the OP’s query, nor is it the slightest bit enlightening or helpful to anyone, fat or thin, because I don’t believe anyone sufficiently intelligent to be on a computer reading this thread can honestly claim that they have never heard anyone suggest that eating less would result in weight loss, quite the reverse, and the feedback you’ve gotten makes that clear.
You have demonstrated absolutely no interest in anything except that, you have in fact clearly stated that you find anything other than “eat less” a waste of time.
Oh you know damn well it’s your horrible fact-telling agenda. How dare you try to disguise it! Clearly fat people are fat because they eat sensible amounts of nutritional food and get plenty of exercise.